| ▲ | ThePumpkinGod 4 hours ago |
| So, a bad actor can now know when I'm at my house or not, I'm sure that's fine and won't be problematic |
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| ▲ | ClikeX an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Bad actors, and any WiFi capable hardware in your house. There's an official spec for it[1], and some routers already have the option built in. I remember seeing papers about this over 10 years ago, someone at MIT did it for a paper. Philips Hue also has it built in to their newer lights, where they measure the Zigbee signals. They call it MotionAware[2]. Basically anything with an antenna and a bit of compute is able to do this now. [1] IEEE 802.11bf-2025
[2] https://www.philips-hue.com/en-hk/support/article/motionawar... |
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| ▲ | st_goliath an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > So, a bad actor can now know when I'm at my house or not. A bad actor who wants to act on that information can just wait near your house on a workday morning and watch you leave, likely not to return for the better part of the day. No techno-voodoo required. |
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| ▲ | rightnutwingjob 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Even having three security cameras around the perimeter of your house can allow quite precise location and activity detection inside the house via their audio steams. Those mics can be quite sensitive. |
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| ▲ | ThePumpkinGod 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't have security cameras in my house but that's actually interesting to see how things most people have in their house can (and does?) used to spy on them. | | |
| ▲ | pmontra an hour ago | parent [-] | | Phones and smart TVs, probably other appliances. My SO used to be surprised to receive ads about stuff we talked about minutes before. I finally looked at her phone, disabled a bunch of things in the stock Android settings, those timely ads went away. I didn't even have to install Blockada, uBO for FF (and uMatrix and other addons) like I do on my devices. | | |
| ▲ | wafflemaker 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Can you elaborate on what did you disable? I feel like by disabling ads in most devices, I'm also taking away the best source of information on what bad actors (here ad companies) managed to exfiltrate about me. If there only was a way to sell ad space about myself and learn from it what others know. |
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| ▲ | motbus3 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes. But depending who is doing the work they can just see what Bluetooth devices are around each hour of the day too...
It sucks that everything we have seems to be usable against us | |
| ▲ | SlightlyLeftPad 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Really? They can’t seem to pick up a conversation happening directly in front of them. |
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| ▲ | gruez 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Can't they already do that by snooping on ARP traffic on your home LAN? Failing that, if they can get whatever shitty wifi chipset they're using to enter promiscuous mode, they can also sniff all STAs that are in the vicinity, and with some ML they can probably figure out which MAC belongs to your phone. |
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| ▲ | alt227 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Or they could just knock on your door and see if you answer. |
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| ▲ | cowlevel 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| They already knew this from your cell phone not being in airplane mode. |
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| ▲ | ThePumpkinGod 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If I ever try to hide (which is probably impossible at this time and age), I will probably just break my phone not like I can use it anyways every single act in it sends data to too many places to count. | | |
| ▲ | guax 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I assume the problem is still tracing and association. So long as there is no direct link between you and the device, there is no saying if that is you or not. So grabbing a used phone via cash transaction from someone and only turning it on and using outside of your usual locations could be enough to have it being "anonymous". Then, using a vpn or other proxy that hides your network can make you very hard to find, so long as you don't associate with your real identity in any substantial form. The danger with these technologies is not when they allow to precise track you once your general vicinity is known, that was always possible by putting some goons after you. General mass surveillance that is constantly tagged is the problem, flock, PRISM and the other stuffs. | | |
| ▲ | ClikeX an hour ago | parent [-] | | There was a TV show in the Netherlands, called Hunted I believe. Contestants had to go on the run and avoid getting caught by the hunting team without doing anything illegal. Or staying to long in a single place, so no camping in the middle of a park (which would technically be illegal anyway). Long story short, barely anyone got anywhere. Because simply doing an ATM transaction to get the cash already triggered the signal where they were. Not to mention the amount of government owned cameras. As well as being in proximity of anyone still online. Complete anonymity is virtually impossible, depending on the country. | | |
| ▲ | alt227 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The problem with that show is it is all simulated. They have a camera crew following them round so they cant exactly hide properly. The show is set up so that if the contestants do anything on a given list (like access ATMs, pay for something with a known card, walking past cctv cameras etc) then the camera crew would notify the hunters. Thats how they got that intel so that they wouldnt need to use actual methods. I dont think you can use that show as an actual example of somebody on the run. Its so far away from reality and set up to be interesting to the viewer, its just not realistic at all. |
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| ▲ | lencastre 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | there is always the risk of the isolated Faraday caged house |
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