| ▲ | SwellJoe 2 hours ago |
| Dang, the prices are crazy. $10k for the lowest tier? I expect federal data to be free. Most federal data related to stuff like regulation (e.g. FCC spectrum use coverage maps), maps for federally-managed lands, etc. is free. And, it should be free. It's a core part of accountability and transparency. Historically there was a copying cost (having a human print physical copies on paper or CD/DVD/tape), which is understandable, but now that the incremental cost of each new copy approaches $0, that's what it should cost users of the data. |
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| ▲ | tantalor an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Only one person has to pay for it, then they can share it with the rest of us for free. It's not like the data is trade secret or protected by copyright or patent. It's public data. |
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| ▲ | 6SixTy 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | >USPS® ZIP Code Boundaries - Publication >Four quarterly updates with limited publication. Sharing it with everyone is probably going to get you banned from getting quarterly updates, as there's strings attached. Though I do wonder just how they keep track. Are they fingerprinting the data somehow? Does that make the dataset less useful? | |
| ▲ | skeeter2020 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The data does change though, and I wouldn't be surprised if at this boutique subscription pricing it's individually fingerprinted | |
| ▲ | sillysaurusx an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I vote you pay for it and share it with us for free. (Or start a gofundme for it.) | |
| ▲ | MadrasThorn an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | You wouldn't steal from the post office would you? | | |
| ▲ | jakeydus an hour ago | parent [-] | | You wouldn't download a car. | | |
| ▲ | chaosharmonic 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You especially wouldn't download one of those old postal vehicles. | | |
| ▲ | Loughla 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I legit tried to get one of those new. They're practically indestructible and have shit tons of storage. They would be awesome get arounds on the farm. If they were AWD or 4wd, I would give my left leg for it. Sadly, you cannot, from what I can tell. | | |
| ▲ | 6SixTy 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Those old postal vehicles were made from the GM parts bin with a custom shell built to spec, though most of them were from the S-10 platform. They are not indestructible, the USPS started scrambling to buy COTS vehicles while the NGDV was in development. The S-10 itself is a really good farm truck though, so I'd keep your eyes on the market for one. Or maybe the equivalent Ford one. | |
| ▲ | MadrasThorn 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'd buy one. USPS could get into the large storage and moving business. |
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| ▲ | jakeydus 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'd take one of the old right-hand-drive two-door jeeps in a second, though. |
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| ▲ | mahboi 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I worked somewhere that purchased ZIP code polygons from somewhere at one point, pretty sure it was way way cheaper than this. Idk if there was a difference in quality. |
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| ▲ | fitsumbelay 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| the subdomain _is_ "postal pro" after all which suggests this is an enterprise service makes sense as its really enterprise level activity -- polling/marketing, government, banking, insurance, etc -- who live or die by zip code data the rest of us should be good with US Department of Commerce's free (last time I looked anyway) geo services. Google em down :lightbulb:
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| ▲ | CodingJeebus an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| USPS is in really rough shape, budget-wise, to the degree that they needed an emergency cash infusion earlier this year (I highly recommend reading up on it, it's a bad situation). Sadly, it's not that surprising to see that they're charging commercial rates for this service. |
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| ▲ | 0cf8612b2e1e an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | That’s not an accident. Congress made it a requirement that the USPS pre fund their pension plans, decades in advance. The only government institute required to do such a thing. It is great for governments to run responsible budgets, but this was such a unique constraint, it seems designed to strangle the USPS. | | |
| ▲ | LanceH an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > pre fund their pension plans, decades in advance Which is to say "fund their pension plans." | | |
| ▲ | bragr 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I know of no other pension plan that has to prefund 75 years of projected pension liabilities. | |
| ▲ | underlipton 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is more like barring you from kindergarten if you don't start paying your college tuition. |
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| ▲ | throwaway27448 3 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Who knew republicans loved big government so much |
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| ▲ | coryrc 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Due to Baumol's Cost Disease and email, it doesn't make sense to be paying labor to drop off junk mail every single weekday. Cutting this by 2/days a week in urban areas and by 3 days/week in rural would save incredible amounts. | | |
| ▲ | underlipton 26 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I'm sure Amazon would love that. Need to overnight a letter? Guess you're stuck with FedEx or UPS. |
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| ▲ | atoav an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In Europe that kind of geodata is typically free and maintained by a governmental agency. I haven't checked for every country, but the three countries I needed that for had that on websites. In fact I didn't even had to go to websites it was a standard map layer in QGIS (great software btw.) |
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| ▲ | rgovostes an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Check out the National Technical Information Service, which publishes some federal data sets like the SSA Death Master File (https://dmf.ntis.gov). They charge $1,531 per seat per year to do online queries or $2,930 + fees to download. They are exempt from FOIA, but the products are still public domain. Half of their links are dead but they've updated their website to say: > We help agencies leverage new and innovative capabilities, including super intelligence, machine learning, and robotics. |
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| ▲ | appplication an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well just wait a day or so and the data will be free. It’s not like these polygons are constantly changing (or that the impact of slightly stale data is of any consequence). The speed is at best mail-scale, and someone will surely leak it to an open data source. |
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| ▲ | kylemaxwell an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It should be if the US Government wasn't using it as a political weapon. |
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| ▲ | SwellJoe 21 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, we're in weird times where things that should be non-partisan have become very partisan. The postal service has become a lightning rod for the most extreme elements; privatization and anti-democracy activists want to kill it, including the guy who's supposed to be running it. Since they can't easily kill it, they just make it suck in every way they can. |
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| ▲ | Y_Y an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Isn't the USPS a profit-seeking arm of the government? |
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| ▲ | staticshock an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | USPS is run as a financially self-sustaining business wholly owned by the federal government. (So, not for profit, but also not funded by the government.) For a long time it was in this weird double bind because the federal government mandated generous health insurance for USPS employees, but did not allocate funds for it, because USPS was supposed to provide its own funds to cover all expenses. It looks like new legislation (PSRA) was finally passed in 2022 to move that burden from USPS and onto the OPM. | |
| ▲ | numbsafari an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It wasn't intended to be profitable. It was intended to provide a public service in the national interest. Any funds raised through postage were to hopefully offset the considerable costs, but the considerable costs were in and of themselves seen as a necessary expenditure for a critical responsibility of the federal government, no more or less so than the considerable costs associated with the raising of armies and navies for the defense of the nation. | |
| ▲ | an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | sitzkrieg an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | there might be an argument for it since DeJoy has been trying to run it like amazon ruining rural service | |
| ▲ | monster_truck 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No??? It's an independent bit of the exec branch designed to operate as a public service. You should have learned this in high school civics class | |
| ▲ | mplewis an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | No? |
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| ▲ | plant-ian an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| FrEE? They're trying to run a business ffs!! |
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| ▲ | moron4hire 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It always kind of weirds me out just how much of the inside of The Pentagon is dedicated shopping space. I mean, I get the full food court and maybe the barbershop. But the full-sized CVS? The candy store? The local chain specialty bundt-cake store with the punny name? The souvenir shop in the central area, away from the souvenir shop where the public tours go. It feels like it's trying to say "America's defense rests on exporting commerce" without knowing it's actually trying to say that. |
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