I think this whole discourse is unhealthy and frankly more toxic for the HN community than the political threads. At least those get flagged right away. Time and time again these threads about male suffering/under-representation/discrimination end up being upvoted, with malcontents flocking to them and filling the comments with generalized statements about women, paranoia about divorce rape and of course the ever-present disdain towards feminism.

This is getting really tiring and it's frankly a shame to see the inexorable slide of HN into a sexist echochamber. The irony of it is, I'm pretty sure that a large part of self-victimising posters in this thread were complaining about the SJW oppression olympics just five years prior.

I get where different kinds of bigotry come from; when things get bad, outgroups are always going to be blamed and scapegoated, whether racial or class-based. Yet there’s something inherently obscene about blaming women for the social issues modern society faces. How bad things must be for someone’s designated oppressor outgroup to constitute 50% of the population, people who resemble them and face largely the same problems? Seriously, do all these people who make sweeping generalisations and talk about “women” as some kind of monolithic entity ever actually talk to women or have female friends? It’s bizarre.

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qntty 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't blame women for men's problems, but just to be pragmatic about the situation, the kinds of comments you're referring to are usually a response to this same kind of micromanaging of thought. Doubling down on it probably won't be an effective response.

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watwut an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Majority of the comments does. Even when the issues in questuon were cause ... by other men.

And no, they are not response to micromanaging of thought ideas. They have gender ideology in mind they want to enforce and are using it.

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dagenleg 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I am not part of the thought police, nor do I promote the nebulous feminist oppressive agenda that half of the posters here seem to be fighting against. I doubt my expression of disdain for casual misogyny qualifies as micromanaging of anything. I just think the whole thing is ridiculous and ultimately self-destructing.

	▲	tomcatfish 15 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		You say "half of the posters here" are doing this, and a sibling comment claims the majority are guilty, but I don't see it scrolling up and down this comment section. Seems like the mods and the [flag] feature keep things cleaner than I've seen on just about any other forum this large.

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qball 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Yet there’s something inherently obscene about blaming women for the social issues modern society faces.

The root of problem is that you don't find it inherently obscene to do the same to men.

That's literally all it is. If you think women are worth more than men you are, in a system of equality, objectively wrong.

If you want women to be socially worth more than men, what are you going to give men to uphold that deal? Because the longer you answer "nothing, fuck you", the worse this gets.

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dagenleg 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Who says I don't? Of course it would be obscene, that's my whole point. What I said about othering half of the population applies in both directions. Yes, it would also be wrong and absurd to blame men for social problems!

I'm calling out the petty sexism that I'm seeing far too often, how did you manage to read it as an attack on all men? There's that victim mentality again. Nobody except a small minority of deranged fanatics calls for women to be socially worth more than men.

However, I do find that last line of yours telling, the implication of betrayal, and the promise of future reckoning. Pray do tell me: what exactly is going to get worse? What happen next? Women to be driven back into the kitchens? The beta uprising?

	▲	datsci_est_2015 41 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> However, I do find that last line of yours telling, the implication of betrayal, and the promise of future reckoning. Pray do tell me: what exactly is going to get worse? What happen next? Women to be driven back into the kitchens? The beta uprising? Amen. Hallmark of misogynistic, reactionary commentary on the internet. Almost guaranteed to appear. Like we need an internet law about it... This is the type of stuff that Elon Musk greatly overestimates dominates public opinion because of his X echo chamber, leading him to waste $500 million on election advertisements.

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datsci_est_2015 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Hey, maybe this is a chance for chuds to exercise some self-reflection and reconsider the merits of intersectionality. I doubt it, though, as a "chud" is pretty much by definition someone who is incapable of self-reflection.