| ▲ | Jtarii 3 hours ago |
| Literally nothing stopping men from being confident, strong providers if they want to be. Most do not because that is hard and videogames and porn is easy. |
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| ▲ | azan_ 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| That’s a very good example of how problems of men vs women are approached. Women typically get support (which is great! We should continue that) and men are typically blamed for being weak. It’s same pattern for many things, like mental health (like here), general health („it’s not our fault that men don’t take care of themselves”) to men being less educated than women. |
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| ▲ | Jtarii an hour ago | parent [-] | | There would first need to be a fundamental change in the way boys are socialised, shifting them more towards how girls are socialised. Which I don't see happening any time soon. You can't help people that don't want to be helped and a significant portion of men's brains are in a permanent state of rejecting all help offered to them. "Traditional Masculinity" is just in general maladaptive in the current age. | | |
| ▲ | rpdillon 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I got downvoted earlier today for saying that there's nobody out there that would argue that men and women are exactly the same, except for a little bit of environmental nudging. That appears to be exactly what you're arguing here: All we need to do is socialize boys more like we socialize girls, and then the men they become will be happier in our society. Is that your position? If so, can you say a little bit more about what you mean or what you envision that socialization would look like for boys? |
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| ▲ | jodrellblank an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| "Literally nothing" stopping the perfectly spherical massless man in a social, environmental, cultural and economic vacuum from self-actualising into an ubermensch. Go gett'm, Tyger - The Stars, Your Destination! |
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| ▲ | Jtarii an hour ago | parent [-] | | Women are successful because they became more like men, to catch up men now need to become more like women, which they will not do because that would be gay. |
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