| ▲ | swingandamiss 5 hours ago |
| Yes. HN has slowly turned into the reasons I left reddit. Every topic turning into politics, pure hate and outrage. Massive number of negative sentiment posts. I was going to reddit and leaving angry. Increasingly I'm coming to HN and leaving angry. I don't want that and if it doesn't change soon I'll have to stop coming here to. |
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| ▲ | deadnomore 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I think there was a lot of pressure building in our community because the ballot box has been no outlet for many years. We've had an increasingly burdensome and insane political environment worldwide and people dealing with unmitigated suffering. It leaks into HN and Reddit in different ways. People here are very plugged into policy and national circumstance and so they can't help but color their opinions. |
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| ▲ | karmakurtisaani 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Also, if the current administration and the tech oligarchs decided next to start burning poor people to power data centers, it would be a bit unreasonable to just expect the discussion to revolve around how cool the automation technology in the poor people furnace is. I.e., sometimes you just can't separate politics from everything else. | | |
| ▲ | ryandrake 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Exactly. I can just imagine the HN commenters with flagging/modding ability back in 1939 Germany flagging all the unpleasant discussions and urging commenters to focus on recent automotive innovation and the exciting advances in television technology, and not bring "politics" into everything. | | |
| ▲ | qwerpy 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Honestly I'd have been ok with that back then, and I'd be more than ok with it now. There are so many places to have political discussions. Pretty much everywhere else. The problem is that people can't discuss politics without getting negative, judgmental, and emotional about it. Can we not have one place to discuss tech without all that? |
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| ▲ | JimDabell 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I’ve also noticed a steady increase in what I call “empty sneering”, where they don’t really have a point to contribute but they just want to dunk on somebody. It’s especially noticeable for any hot button topics – yeah, we get that you don’t like Musk/Trump/AI/whatever but do you have an actual point to contribute or not? I’ve been saying for years that spite should be viewed as a primary metric for social media. The higher the volume of spite, the more harmful it is and the less useful it is. Hacker News is heading in the wrong direction. |
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| ▲ | causal 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Empty sneering" is a good term for it. Seems like the curse of conversation at scale: Reduction to polarized talking points. Often without engaging TFA at all. I think there are still good conversations happening here, and I really appreciate the efforts of moderators to keep HN hacky. | |
| ▲ | scarecrowbob 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | On some level I agree with you that a lot of the anger we see is expressed towards empty signifiers. However honestly I think you could mark these changes that we see in the tenor of discussions on HN around how active Musk himself has been at doing things that many of us don't like. It's one thing to not like him because I am generally anti-capitalist and I'm super skeptical about the actual goodness of his products or see his companies as mere plays to get listed in the S&P500. I never have expected folks on a venture capitalist form to find that position intelligible. It's another thing when he does a bunch of political things that large sections of folks here actively don't like. A lot of the folks here like the US for its humanistic, empathetic, and liberalized culture. My point (and I have one, so you don't think I am merely being spiteful) is this: the actual content and degree of that dislike might be important to register and dismissing it as simple spite might miss an important point. In 2012 many tech companies might look quite benign to many people, whereas after the acquisition of Twitter, the ketimine-fueled ideological tweeting, the attempts to influence US politics, and the fallout from DOGE might seem to many people worth some actual outrage. And further, that ourtage might seep into all the other ways we describe other technologies: Flock certainly doesn't seem benevolent, ICE->Trump->Vance->Thiel/Palentir might seem pressing, and LLMs might seem less like a really solid autocomplete and more like a way to automate mass surveillence. So my point is that while it might be tempting to dismiss the anger that people feel as simple social media toxicity and irrational gestures towards strawmen, if we accept that people have legitimaet grievances behind their anger then that metric might stand in for real changes in the ways that the discussions around tech increasingly feel political in very direct and material ways. Understanding that shift has been one of the more useful things that I've gotten from reading comments here. |
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| ▲ | preg_match 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've noticed very, very little politics on HN, even recently. Despite being in a very... tumultuous... political climate, I see close to zero politics. I mean, I haven't seen Trump, or ICE, or the GOP, or the midterms, etc mentioned on the front page at all in months. The only kind of politics we get is the intersection of technology and politics, like Flock. But even that is flagged to hell and back and generally suppressed. What I see on HN is AI, AI, AI, and then some more AI. Basically nothing else gets any traction, which is frustrating. I think, in general, the optimism towards tech has degraded a lot in the past couple decades. Which is to be expected, as everyone who sells technology is finding new ways to abuse it every day. Especially for things like AI, it doesn't help that the most optimistic people are basically saying "yeah this is world-ending". The culture-shift isn't unique to hackernews, it's top-down from the entire tech industry, as the tech industry shifts from "cool stuff for nerds" to "tools of mass oppression". That's just sort of what happens when you pump enough money into a sector in our type of economy. |
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| ▲ | 01100011 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I just want tech news and some discussion. Sure, tech has some downsides on society and the planet. I can, and do, hear about that in many other places. It’s not what I come here for. I understand younger generations are feeling very disaffected and hopeless. I feel for them. I don’t really have a solution for them and don’t have the power to change it so I’d rather tune it out. Yeah, that makes me a selfish jerk. Ok, cool. |
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| ▲ | fyrabanks 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Twitter is the one for me. Almost every popular thread immediately turns into arguing and slurs. |
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| ▲ | 01100011 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I had great luck on there but I also quickly muted people who didn’t add value. Twitter kicked me off and wanted my biometrics though so I no longer use that site. |
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| ▲ | ars 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've noticed the exact same thing, and I've cut back a lot on how much I contribute. I'm hoping it's bots doing that, and not my fellow, because I don't like to think that my fellow humans are actually this full of hate. But either way, contributing to HN has become rather unpleasant these days. |
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| ▲ | p-e-w 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That’s because the Hacker News crowd has finally found a topic on which it is willing to engage with the same level of outrage that has long defined Reddit. That topic is AI. Turns out the clienteles of the two platforms aren’t so different after all. The only difference is what triggers them. |
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| ▲ | otabdeveloper4 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The constant drone of AI psychosis and slop is a thousand times worse than politics. |
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| ▲ | mindslight 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | qwerpy 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | It’s not that complicated or one-sided. We just don’t want the constant “anti-“ noise everywhere. Take the complaining elsewhere. | | |
| ▲ | mindslight 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | qwerpy 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > why are you writing an anti- comment in defense of another anti- comment? Reminds me of "tolerance doesn't mean we have to tolerate things we deem intolerant or we personally don't agree with". That's fine, you may desire to have political discussions everywhere. I get it, it feels good to believe you're fighting for a good cause. But some of us will scold you, downvote/flag you, and complain about all the noise. Like you said, it's open and public, so we'll just have to let the site's rules and process decide who wins. |
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