| ▲ | smath 4 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Can anyone knowledgeable explain (or point to a good reference) why the US doesn't have a real time payment system, say something like UPI in India? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | smallmancontrov 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Mostly the curse of the first mover, with a dash of corruption for spice. Part of it is "the curse of good enough": the US has had good credit-card style infrastructure for over a century and digital infrastructure since the POTS days. Part of it is that we lost our appetite for anti-trust in the 80s. Part of it is that the price structure of this infrastructure has wormed its way into everything in a way that is difficult to undo without causing high-visibility inconvenience for low-visibility benefit. The good-enough is the enemy of the good. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | alphazard 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Payment processors and banks lobby for control over this. As usual, a service/product is bad because no one is allowed to create a better alternative, this is an almost universal rule. Specific to this case: the government is included in the list of parties not allowed to make it better. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | Aspos 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Mostly deficiencies of the political system: regulators see themselves, call themselves and act like "watchdogs", whereas in other countries financial regulators act like shepherds and lead the market. Hence in this country relatively minor players with interests not exactly aligned with the general public can hijack the process. That's what we are witnessing. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | kolanos 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Not real time, but ACH is being forcibly sped up by regulators. [0] > All U.S. financial institutions (Receiving Depository Financial Institutions or RDFIs) must participate and accept Same Day ACH credit transactions. > However, sending (originating) Same Day ACH payments is optional for banks and credit unions. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | iAMkenough 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I think it’s the general desire for a “smaller” Federal government that instead relies on private sector solutions. For other examples, look at adoption of login.gov vs id.me, and tax filing software solutions. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | j16sdiz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
In most part of the world, the government just force the bank to join the payment system and restrict how they charge the customer. In the USA, no single regulator have that power. Basically only congress can do something like this. The us Congress ain't famous for being fast, you know. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | upboundspiral 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The Fed prints a fraction of a fraction of the actual money in circulation. Private banks in practice control the money supply. As such, they want to maintain their monopoly. The countries that have innovated the most in regards to automated payments are the ones trying to escape US influence: look at PIX in Brazil, BRICS pay, etc... In America, the payment system is an oligarchy, they protect their own (the bankers), what need is there for innovation when they are making a killing out of the current inefficiency? The one place where the US haven't been slow is in stablecoins, making them dollar donominated, to ensure the monopoly the US dollar has on international trade stays strong. That way, when the US has a crisis, they take down the rest of the world too, to the joy of non-US countries. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | yieldcrv 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It does. Outdated information RTP is what its called | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | jameson 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Lobbying? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | richwater 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Our federal representatives are mostly incompetent and technologically illiterate. When a large project does materialize, the funding is wasted on contractors who actively scam the government. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||