Pretty wild. Australia's had NPP since 2018. You can send money to somebody's phone number and it's in their bank account instantly.

https://www.rba.gov.au/payments-and-infrastructure/new-payme...

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eterm 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For nearly 20 years the UK has had "faster payments", free instant transfers, now up to £1m, and while you can't send to a phone number, the routing numbers needed can't be used to withdraw so are generally safe to give to people.

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fpoling 4 hours ago | parent [-]

UK system is rather inconvenient and most web sites do not have even an option to use that. And forget using that to pay in a shop. Compare that to Bizum in Spain or Vipps in Norway where one can very conveniently pay using that both online and in shops and the systems naively supports refunds and payment reservations and subscriptions similar to debit cards.

	▲	eterm 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Yes, it's less about payments than more modern systems. The UK has free current ( checking) accounts with debit cards that are essentially free to use, so there's not much incentive for other payment systems. A contactless debit card is quicker and easier to use than an app anyway, although google/apple apps work with that too. Subscriptions are often done via "direct debit" ( since 1970 ), which is safer than letting anyone take money if they have your details, so that's been a solved problem here for a while too. The downside is the first-movers problem, where the UK having been ahead a couple of decades ago will now likely be behind for a while, because there isn't so much incentive. Hopefully not as long as the USA has been behind though!
	▲	benashford 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I get the benefit for the merchant to use an instant payment system. On the other hand, I don't understand the benefit is for the consumer. An increasing number of UK merchants use Pay By Bank (which is essentially an easy way to make a payment by pre-filling the merchant's bank details in your banking app), but if you choose to use it you're instantly losing the consumer protections that come from using a debit or (especially) a credit card: https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/banking/pay-by-bank-warnin... The only way I would use such a system for purchases would be if the merchant refused debit/credit cards, and even then only if there wasn't an alternative merchant I could use.

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cavisne 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Has it actually helped anything? B2C is still all credit card or (due to some weird regulation) cash because of the credit card fees being passed on.

	▲	SchemaLoad 41 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		It mostly replaced paying with cash for people to people transactions and removed the massive delay doing online payments to people. It didn't change payments to businesses.

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lazyasciiart 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Even before that Australia had bank transfers, the US had Paypal and now Zelle.