There is C++ and then there is C++. Totally different things.

One I enjoy programming. Another I dread.

I know exactly what you mean. But I would even say there are more C++'s than just two.

"C++, but codebase is 20 years old"

"C++, but we ban or dont like most of C++ features"

"C++, but everything must be a template"

"C++, but codebase is completely new and we only use the new features"

"C++, but its the stl codebase"

"C++, but you are reading Stroustrup's book"

That's the real answer. Which C++?

I'm beginning to believe that some of the Rust evangelists are there just because they'd rather write code in anything but <some dialects of> C++...