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▲ hmontazeri 2 hours ago

No one seems to worry about the demand of ai. That makes me wonder. My neighbors for example are normal working ppl they don’t know how to open a zip file (they call me to help them with something like this) and they are in their early 40s so not that old. Sure companies and workflows are going to become agentic but not everyone needs it or even wants it. Then there are smarter small models like Qwen 27b running on a Mac mini and this will also continue to get better and develop further. If the usage is easy I see ppl downloading a desktop app that’s dead simple instead of paying for ChatGPT. I just don’t see this growth curve going for 20 years for these companies to pay off their dept

▲misja111 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I would say your neighbors are the perfect use case for AI. AI can understand human language. Your neighbors probably never were able to use Google for search, compare flight tickets online, Wikipedia etc. Give your neighbors something like Alexa powered with better AI, and they are sold.

▲bodge5000 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Having dealt with many family members just like this, I can tell you they certainly can use Google for search, they just don't want to. When forced to they use it fine.

If I were to guess, a lot of people, particularly older people, see computer use outside the web browser as an amateur might a chop-saw; a dangerous tool not to be used by inexperienced hands, so an AI that can also directly do the tasks for them might solve that problem (assuming it came preinstalled or someone else did that for them). Though then comes the question of whether they'd be willing to pay for it

▲oblio an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Plus hallucinations. Most "regular people" questions aren't inherently easy to verify. And when regular people do have to verify the answers, the value of "AI" drops like a rock.

▲amelius 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> Having dealt with many family members just like this, I can tell you they certainly can use Google for search, they just don't want to. When forced to they use it fine.

Exactly! I noticed this when I moved out of my parents' house, when suddenly my mom became an electronics whiz who can hook up VCRs and TVs just fine. I always thought I was the smart person in the house, but now I realize I was just taken advantage of.

▲viktorcode an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the US, roughly 95% of AI users do not pay for it. So, they are sold, but only for the free tier. Technology is there, money are not.

▲hmontazeri an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

i dont know about that, they could've adopted using google which you could already search things in pretty much natural language and even got youtube snippets how fix your problem... so i'm not convinced they will adopt

▲devsda an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is no "honest" AI though. It is always biased towards its prompt and ultimately its training data.

Compare flights? You have to assume it is objective and not tainted by corporate bias or backroom deals(aka ads and sponsored content), unless you selfhost and find an objective model.

Search Wikipedia? You have to constantly check that it is giving you straight facts instead of being constrained by its community and safety guidelines.

The problem with so many of these usecases is treating AI as a super intelligent Vulcan who is always logical and objective aka Spock, when we are better off treating it as if it is a salesman.

▲hmontazeri 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

agree. That's why i love models (agents) that just search the web get the answer and use tools to their disposale instead of guessing based on training data which is outdated anyway...

▲misja111 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

This is all true, but which travel booking assistant is really unbiased? Online comparison sites might not be, the good old 'brick and mortar' travel assistant most likely isn't either.

▲jen729w 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Now tell them it costs $100/month and, eh, not so much.

▲ddorian43 an hour ago | parent [-]

They need less than $20/month though. Probably just a free tier with ads. That gets you google.

▲jen729w an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Right. So my worry – inasmuch that I worry for the state of the global economy – is that this doesn't generate valuations that match the current hype.

There's so much ad money to go around. It currently fuels Meta and Google. Let's say Anthropic and OpenAI enter the field and take a slice. That's a fine business, sure. But does it justify the state of the market?

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▲fauigerzigerk 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>My neighbors for example are normal working ppl they don’t know how to open a zip file (they call me to help them with something like this) and they are in their early 40s so not that old. Sure companies and workflows are going to become agentic but not everyone needs it or even wants it.

Maybe not everyone (yet) but your neighbours clearly do need it.

▲jurgenburgen an hour ago | parent [-]

Is using AI to open a zip file and not interact with the neighbor supposed to be an improvement? Maybe they just like interacting with their neighbor.

▲fauigerzigerk 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's definitely an improvement. Most people would not want to depend on their neighbours for opening zip files. I know I wouldn't.

And if one of my neighbours ever asked me to help them open a zip file, I would not leave before I'm absolutely sure that they can do it themselves next time.

▲origini an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This year, a lot of big companies are building the agentic layer.

This has to be build and takes time.

But this is the major thing were ai will be introduced into every single layer of software we have.

The HR System which might have needed x people? The agent has solved 90% of tickets already before they hit a human. Agents will do the repetitive but not that easy to automate tasks.

▲jurgenburgen an hour ago | parent [-]

> But this is the major thing were ai will be introduced into every single layer of software we have.

How is that even possible? I thought they already put AI chats into everything. Maybe AI chat inside an AI chat.

▲rienbdj 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Feels like collectively we are under indexing on LLMs as user interfaces. I use a CLI with an agent to things I once did in a GUI. Your neighbors should never have to worry about zip files again.

▲origini an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Exactly!

I said it two years ago already: An LLM is the perfect user interface.

The problem though: It will make it a lot easier to do harder things which will devaluate jobs.

▲dgan an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

having to write "hey LLM-du-jour please unpack these files!" os strictly less efficient/more time consuming than clicking "extract" on a menu. I have hard time what usecase you have in your mind. (Unless the user is blind that is)

▲mdp2021 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> companies and workflows [] going to become agentic

What makes you so sure? Some would call it "automated running scissors" and want tool firmly in responsible hands. And could assess "automated (indeterministic) reliability" as still far away in time.

Are there any contexts we may have missed that would surely, safely replace individual deliberate action with "the ANN can do it"?