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▲ nl 5 hours ago

This is a useless statement.

It's like saying "developers should be responsible for their own security so we will make them liable if a random node dependency in the application they are building gets pwned"

Firstly, liability and security are different things.

Employees should never be liable for something that happens if they are using a work-supplied tool at work in the manner in which it is designed to be used.

Secondly, it's just lazy thinking to say "oh it's hard therefore we'll make the human sorely responsible".

There are many things that can help - sandboxing, adversarial LLM inspection of prompts, separation of security contexts etc. Yes they are hard and might need new primitives.

▲dofm 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Employees should never be liable for something that happens if they are using a work-supplied tool at work in the manner in which it is designed to be used.

Architects and properly-designated publishers both have potentially long liability that is to an extent independent of their future employment. (The same is true of hospital consultants and others)

In significant cases, the way you provoke companies to do the right thing (security, sticking to the facts, not cutting corners in building plans) is to make someone legally responsible if they don't. That person's liability is limited by their actions — if they can demonstrate they discharge those responsibilities appropriately, they are in the clear.

That person takes on that designated role, does the job, and is rewarded properly for the responsibility it involves. They embody the push to reduce that risk.

So an average employee using the tool as directed by their employer, they do not have liability if the company has designated someone in this role. (And in this scenario, if they have not, there would be a punitive fine for that, independent of other outcomes).

I have no particular problem with the notion that a corporate AI safety/responsibility officer is a plausible way forward. If you are delegating responsibility to a machine, someone has to be on the hook. Without such things it's a wild west with lawyers. That's not sustainable.

▲nl 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure, as an oversight role the way some jurisdictions have personal liability for board members for financial oversight that makes sense.

▲dofm 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I guess in some situations it's already baked in, right?

A news organisation's liability for AI hallucination falls on the same person that the liability for printing a lie does: the publisher.

▲mdavidn 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> “developers should be responsible for their own security so we will make them liable if a random node dependency in the application they are building gets pwned”

Developers may not be liable today, but protecting company data and resources from supply chain attacks is their responsibility. At most companies, only the developer is in a position to understand how these supply chains work. Even at larger companies with security teams, the scanners and mirrors are trivial to bypass.