	▲	bbor 6 hours ago
		Very well-written, and undeniably relatable! Sadly, I am compelled by forces beyond my cognitive control to respond, especially to points I've seen and refuted before. If nothing else, I hope it's helpful to know the other side of these things :) `using LLMs in my codings` I hope it's not too combative to start by saying this is a huge red flag for someone who hasn't checked in on what post-Mythos agentic engineering is like. Of course LLMs are undeniably involved, but it comes off like someone quitting social media by decrying protocols (or worse: series of tubes). LLMs are an essential component that has finally thawed the AI Winter, yes, but they're still just parts of a system. A harness is far from a mere wrapper around a neural network, to say the least. `people argue that "LLMs are just a tool", but really, it is not, it is a SERVICE` That dichotomy is a false one (many software tools are productionized as services), but the underlying sentiment is clear and common: that querying a chatbot is akin to asking another human to do something for you. This comes up most often in Reddit's vicious "AI wars" about digital art, where generating an image cannot be a creative act on the users' part because it's more like comissioning a painter than it is like painting. I think the response is obvious (and why this is merely an aside rather than a "dealbreaker" proper): this is granting personhood to neural networks, which no one who supports this point would admit to in a thousand years. Either they're people and you're asking a person to think/paint for you, or they're inanimate machines and it's a tool; there is no middle ground. (If unconvinced: what about a camera makes it a tool to be used rather than a peer to be delegated to? It can draw a picture in milliseconds!) `the current hype and craze for them` This is an underlying worlview thing that poisons the rest of the analysis, namely that nothing (important) ever happens. That surely this just a hype moment that will pass like the iPhone moment and the Bitcoin moment, and that anyone who says otherwise is surely crazy. It's begging the whole discussion. `And it's no wonder, there have been several studies confirming this:` The first paper is Microsoft's[1] recent incredibly informal survey of how people feel working in a career they know to be changing beyond their recognition, and with tools that didn't really exist 6 months ago. Yes, orchestrating agents is a different experience than we're used to; no, a simple survey could never prove that they are cognitively dangerous. The second paper is notoriously misleading, and a stain upon MIT -- observing brain activity differences between people who have to think deeply and write an essay by hand and people who type a sentence and then sit there until the allotted time is over is not surprising, and definitely doesn't show what they clearly intended the flashy graphics and suggestive conclusion to show (that using chatbots leads to brain damage). There's more, but long story short: they're manipulating valid techniques to make a tool seem like a uniquely-dangerous toxin, when the exact same effect applies to all previous tools of note (calculators, typewriters, word processors, translators, even Grammarly). The third paper is just highly-speculative, deeply-polemic schlock, obviously. `The quality of the output is not that great` 1. This is an unfalsifiable claim, which is lucky because the goalposts have had to be moved many times to get to "looks impressive, but is sometimes complete bullshit". Turing refutes this thinking quite directly in `§6.5` of Computing Machinery and Intelligence (CMaI)[2]. 2. Many experienced engineers disagree, to say the least, as do companies investing billions. 3. Again, you can't help but sense the author hasn't used post-Mythos models; even if they have, the fact that such a huge leap has occured in just the previous 24 months is overwhelming evidence against this notion. The linked sources being A) an /r/AntiAI post (!) and B) a pre-Mythos essay don't help. `Congratulations, you have let OpenAI/Anthropic/Elon Musk dictate what your code does and why.` I'm quickly getting the sense that the author is too vitriolic and dug in to be reasoned out of these views :( Hopefully it goes without saying that "your code sucks because you gave it to [HATED_FIGURE]!" is an invective, not a premise. For the rest: see previously preceeding section, which is indeed "closely related". `I like writing code` Same! I also like playing video games and tending to plants -- just had a blast on Beyond All Reason last night, and my Philodendron Florida Ghost just unfurled a wonderfully-ghostly new leaf. Neither are my career. `Environmental aspect` I'm most dissapointed by this part, as this person is Finnish and should know better about the Google story :( What's being framed as some unheard-of act of environmental terror is really just the planned and almost-completely-permitted early harvest of a small plot of "planted forest", i.e. a tree farm, which are one of Finland's main industries. Everything in this map in blue is tree farms, with the Muhos site in the middle: https://i.imgur.com/HyTVp1I.jpeg [3] The preceeding 'this technology uses power' point doesn't need refutation, but it underlines the problem with the point above: this is post-hoc reasoning. Cutting down a tree farm in Finland is so, so far down the list of priorities for actual environmental activism that it's hard to describe, and yet this post has nothing about not working for companies that serve non-vegan meals for lunch, uses air conditioning, or flies people to yearly retreats. `But I just personally feel squeamish about having my work being done by rather skeezy companies` Even if this were relevant (which it's not in a post-GLM-5.3 world[3]) it offers no argument, and thus cannot support the conclusion. `Even if some technology or tool sticks around, it does not necessarily mean its good idea to work with it.` Also not an argument. Heroin isn't inadvisable because it's "here to stay", but rather because it's a toxic, extremely chemically addictive narcotic that kills many thousands of well-intentioned users every year, and ruins thousands more families before that. TL;DR: Apologies to the (again, clear & well-intentioned) author, but this essay is like heroin -- I dislike it! --- [1]: BTW, there's a reason Microsoft published this, and it's the opposite bias that this author assumed. Read this article and see how deep the conflict of interest admission is buried -- it says it all: https://www.project-syndicate.org/onpoint/anthropic-training... [2]: pp. 12 of https://www.hec.edu/sites/default/files/documents/Computing%... [3]: That tool, more info, definitive Finnish zoning documents available at this ChatGPT link (ew, I know, I agree!): https://chatgpt.com/s/t_6af081bc590881919c7231419db48a72 [4]: https://www.anthropic.com/research/glm-5-3-and-the-spread-of...