The discussion wasn't about whether we want carbon emissions, my only point here was that Chinese EVs were made so cheap largely due to cheap labor and government subsidies.

Whether we want lower carbon emissions, whether carbon emissions is the only metric that matters, whether moving from ICE vehicles to EVs, etc are all interesting topics in their own right.

Ok, but they're still cheap now with no subsidies. That's how it's supposed to work, subsidies to get off the ground in a strategic area with a goal of becoming self sustaining and then removing the subsidies.

Xiaomi YU7 is $30k new, and much nicer than a Model Y. Never subsidized.