I used to use ChatGPT/Claude in the TUI up until like 3 months ago, but my usage of LLMs has exploded - many sessions across many projects. I feel like I outgrew the TUI and now I'm using ChatGPT/Claude desktop. VS Code has become a code review tool and place where I manage git if need be.

The GUI is less verbose with the nitty gritty hidden in expandable sections, which makes history easier and cleaner to scroll through, also no scrolling bugs, rich text is easier to read with tables, and images integrated into the chat, resources like browsers in the context of the session. Drag and drop session organization (pins), scheduled tasks, etc.. all that in the side bar.

Usually a TUI would be open in VS Code and scoped to whatever repo I'm working with so 10 projects, 10 VS Code instances open, not super scalable. With the GUI desktop app it's one app, and I can start sessions in an repo and switch between them easily, no need to open VS Code for each. I don't see what could make me want to go back to using a TUI.

Who else is just using the GUI nowadays, or are you still on the TUI, and why, have you tried the GUI interfaces?

I graduated from Claude Code to Herdr to now T3Code.

T3Code can do anything I might need such a tool to. It supports a bunch of different harnesses, therefore also subscriptions. It supports running agents on different servers, from the same GUI. Mobile app that works well. Orchestration that allows any agent to orchestrate others in T3Code directly.

I find TUI scales better for multiple concurrent agents across the same and different codebases, especially using tools such as herdr. I can fire off an agent, which runs sub-agents. Then check-in periodically to re-steer as needed or be interrupt driven for completions of tasks. I can't see how vscode/GUI is better for this?

I went from TUI and tested several GUIs that can also support a "TUI" view.

After testing several options at the moment I'm using Orca IDE as my daily driver - effectively as a layer on top anthropic / openai

- Supports both anthropic and openai with subscriptions and can you swithc easily between those two + other LLms

- Its a bit hidden / non intuitive to setup but it does support running everything on remove host -> I run (95%) of my jobs on remote hosts that I can both access from my laptop + their native app via a wirguard vpn

- You can switch between chatview + TUI on the same conversation - very useful if you move e.g. from desktop session to mobile view.

- For repeating LLM tasks Orca also suports a kind of scheduler - but I prefer currently to have the agent set things up via chronjobs on the remote machine (not super happy with this ...)

Key reason I dont want to go fully ChatGPT/Claude is also I dont want to build a super strong dependency on those mega players and remain the ability to switch to other interefernce providers / models.

As LLM usage is already a core workflow in our company - a sudden unavailability of one or a massive price increase - makes it absolutely necessary to build out alternatives.

We all know the downsides of SAAS Lock in too well from the 2010s. In that sense Fool me once, fool me twice..

> now I'm using ChatGPT/Claude desktop

Same, it's lovely software for that mode of work!

I also briefly tried out other ADEs, like:

- Kepler (by the GitKraken folks) - https://www.gitkraken.com/kepler

- Paseo - https://paseo.sh/

Kepler had a really nice issue tracker integration but the UI was very vibey and not quite as to the point as I'd like (who needs graph visualization of what the agents do, just give me tools that work), and Paseo had a really nice UI that I could use to drive both Codex and Claude Code, but some OpenCode agents would sometimes hang and I didn't have tools to really do anything about it.

Maybe I should also give JetBrains Air a look again, if I ever end up subscribing to them again (I just moved to Zed for my code editing): https://www.jetbrains.com/air/

Interesting space, with so many additional tools popping up! That said, the OpenCode TUI was really pleasant too.

I hear people swear by https://github.com/getpaseo/paseo

Not only it's a GUI in client-server topology, it can also orchestrate the agents to work for you.

Haven't tried it yet.

I went the same way but found that the GUIs (Claude and Codex Desktop) are still too low-level to scale well. They are basically just tabbed chat windows. I wanted more structure and more targeted UX for managing my work. It's easy nowadays to build your own GUI, so I did.

(I found it's still quite some work to polish it so that it's actually good. Therefore, sharing it could still benefit others, so I did: obeya.si, free, open-source)

I also like the inner text display of the GUI more, but the window management of it terrible IMO. On my Mac I have 3 desktops open, one for "private" and two for a project each. With the Claude TUIs I just have 1-5 open terminals per desktop, each with its title neatly set automatically. With the GUI app, I can only have 1 open, not one per desktop. It seems you can open several very reduced versions of the Claudr app with a single chat but that didn't work well for me. So that's why I'm still with TUIs..

Just GUI now. I can also connect to Mac Codex from my phone and have a voice chat with it. Collects all my work in projects, can jump in and out anytime. Can start a project on the phone, move to Mac. (Almost) No sync issues, which I found the TUI/phone had.

I just ended up making my own GUI. I never really liked any of the pre-build ones. It started slow (3-4 days of work) and grew organically around my working style. I can also have my preferred UX (e.g., high information density).

Take a look at the Codex App Server or the Claude Agent SDK as a way to communicate with harnesses running headlessly and build your own UI on top. I’m sure Pi can be set up in a similar fashion.

Im also using the desktop apps (codex/claude). Using the tui doesn’t bring any advantage anymore. I can drag and drop pdfs, images, i have the browser view, can easily switch between conversations, fork them at any point.

I use whatever IDE to review the code, read tests, etc. I used to use the terminal for everything prio AI, but not anymore.

""GUI is less verbose with the nitty gritty hidden in expandable sections, ""

? The GUI has nothing to do with that.

If you use Chat / Work / Code <- that's the differentiation.

So 'Code' in 'Gui' is identical to Claude Code except for the visual layout.

If you use Work or Chat, which are not optimized for Coding you'll see a different experience.

If you use iTerm or Ghostty and set a key combo to switch tabs you can very easily switch between tabs and the TUI generally gives more dense information.

Usually people migrate to TUI not the other way around.

I think that there are reasons to use GUI - if there is deeper integration with Git or an issue tracker - or - in VSCode - for navigating files etc. - definitely those things are valid.

But for raw AI the getting a TUI to work the way you want it is ideal.

I switched to the GUIs half a year ago and never looked back.

From the text rendering and scrolling alone, they are much more pleasant to work with.

Conversations with activity and MR status indicators, nested sessions, images in the chat, and generally more information and functionality on the screen.

One negative is that it gives Claude, and particularly Codex, room to mess up with auto-opening artifacts.

Codex, when I was still using it, kept opening report or comparison pages in fullscreen when I did not ask for artifacts.

Claude loves to open its iOS simulator pane, but somehow never displays the one it's actually using, instead showing a simulator that is idle. It might be related to my custom tooling.

I mostly use TUI because I have agents running on different servers over SSH.

I often need agents on one server to talk to a different agent on another server through tmux, and it's just much easier with TUI.

Some of it is the historical snobbery that CLI users have for GUI users. I count myself among them. Isn't it way cooler how I can fix my NIC with just three chained bash commands, while the windows users have to navigate 8 levels of dialogues?

But that mentality doesn't leave room for a lot of nuance. Even the most hard core TUI proponents and neovim gurus probably do not use Lynx as their browser (well maybe they use a vibe coded hacker news TUI client instead)

Herdr changed my tui game. Pi but for tmux.

I thought the TUI was the ultimate power tool and loved the original embrace from claude code. I still use TUI a lot, but have been using deepseek harness web app atop my local model and am already liking the better organization and UI of this interface. I can see my load shifting to it. But you are right, you almost always need a VS Code interface open as well.

The outputs of Opus 5.5 were so much easier to read, but I do find the the deepseek web based tool much easier to comprehend for some reason. Plus I can access it from phone (over tailscale) as well when out and about and continue sessions very easily. AND it is all open source/weights. I'm pretty thrilled, but it's been less than a week.

> Who else is just using the GUI nowadays, or are you still on the TUI, and why, have you tried the GUI interfaces?

I generally prefer GUIs but I'm OK with a TUI harness. Anyway, there's a web frontend for Pi (https://github.com/agegr/pi-web) which looks very promising although it still has some rough edges. They even have an interactive demo: https://agegr.github.io/pi-web/

I'm not associated with the project.

I dislike the harness TUIs for this for the same reasons. Nothing against TUI in general, the lazy* universe for example is great.

OpenChamber (the desktop app, not the VSC extension) for OpenCode currently works best for me. Especially because of its seamless remote control via their iOS app.

I've lost faith in the ChatGPT desktop app. It's nicer than managing a bunch of TUI sessions, but it's so prone to losing session history / context.

I was confused until you mentioned you were running it in VS Code. That issue goes away if you run it in a standalone terminal with tmux or tabs.

No idea what you're working on, but if it's anything involving sifting a lot of data, how do you know if your code actually works or does what Claude says it's doing?

I’m using one iTerm to host the TUIs. The RAM cost is a tiny fraction of modern electron-based gui slop