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▲ s_u_d_o a day ago

Companies with billions of $, stopping R&D on the most revolutionizing technology/ breakthrough is something I can’t understand. I do understand there’s an AI Race to win, and that is with transformer and current LLMs architectures, but if research could find a better, more efficient approach they would re-shape this race, lead it, or even dominate it.

▲ACCount39 a day ago | parent | next [-]

The problem is the "if". There is no guarantee that there's a "better, more efficient approach" to be found.

So far, the attempts to replace the transformer LLM with something else have yielded either "the same transformer LLM but with this one tweak that makes it 10% better" or "a radically different architecture that's a bitch to work with, and performs, best case, about the same as the transformer LLM".

By now, I'm firmly in the camp of "the architecture is good enough". Rifle is fine. Transformer is fine. Get better at the transformer before you look at anything else.

▲nonethewiser a day ago | parent [-]

And getting the transformer better may make finding the next thing easier

▲Xenoamorphous a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think it’s more likely that some future LLM model finds a more efficient architecture than a human does, at this point. So yeah I’d go all in on LLMs too.

▲move6729 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They are losing tons of money on it. Simple as.

▲hobo123 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Me neither. When revenues are growing every year, a fixed chunk of researchers' salaries (maybe growing a few % each year) doesn't really hurt, but R&D offers a nice upside.

▲bagacrap 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Or if you are Microsoft, you throw in the towel on leading in any given industry or technology, and you're happy to be third best at everything and leverage b2b dealmaking to stay relevant.

▲0xpgm 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Big corporations, by nature, are not rational in the decisions they make.

That's why they'll always be room for startups.

▲bagacrap 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah yes, startups, bastions of rational thinking.

More like, a large company has to be rational, as the article points out, throwing money at research for uncertain returns is not as straightforward as throwing it at scaling for known returns.

Startups are allowed to be irrational because investors know upfront that what their dollars are getting is a high variance outcome. People buy a stake in Microsoft when they want what they perceive to be a safe investment.

▲IncreasePosts a day ago | parent | prev [-]

But is it a race to zero? Maybe AI will make very expensive things (eg software engineering) very cheap, but there will be enough competition that the margins are tiny and don't actually justify putting crazy dollar amounts into research

▲move6729 a day ago | parent [-]

That's exactly what's happening. Software -> 0 marginal cost (obviously still need engineers to actually make the architecture). LLMs -> Price of Energy / Amortized Cost of GPUs. "AI Labs" -> Owned by Creditors

▲s_u_d_o a day ago | parent [-]

From an engineer, who’s devastated by this, i have to admit/raise my concern: why do we still need engineers to make architecture? Why is everyone saying that’s a must? For me the toughest problem was coding a huge repo/pkgs, architecture should be much of an easier task to do. I’ve seen it do sys design, scaled architecture better than 10X engineers. With good planning, context and prospective info -> it can produce extremely good architecture even for complex systems.

▲nonethewiser a day ago | parent | next [-]

Im not sure I would say architecture specifically. Just anything on the input and output.

▲move6729 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It cant lmao (skill issue)