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| ▲ | ocd 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm well aware. I've been using VoIP for a long time, but as I said, some services refuse to recognize VoIP numbers as they can query and check. It doesn't matter if the number was ported and originated from a mobile service or landline telephony provider. Netflix is an example of a company that takes a hardline stance not allowing a VoIP number on an account, even while banks don't seem to care since it's the customer's choice. | | |
| ▲ | viraptor 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > It doesn't matter if the number was ported and originated from a mobile service or landline telephony provider. It still depends on public databases with hopefully-accurate data. I'm registered on Netflix on a number which can make and receive VoIP calls. It's just not a usual VoIP-specific provider. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50401117 | |
| ▲ | UqWBcuFx6NV4r 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | The comparison with / deferral to banks is not really relevant. Apples and oranges. | | |
| ▲ | LoganDark 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I'd be curious to hear your justification for why it's so much more important for Netflix to ensure there's a "real" phone number behind the account compared to banks. (Note: I don't agree with any equivalency or even correlation between phone numbers and legal persons) | | |
| ▲ | direwolf20 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Netflix could have their access to video content cut off if they don't comply with all the ridiculous power trips of content "rights" owners. Banks only have to comply with actual laws. | | |
| ▲ | LoganDark 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Banks are required by law to perform KYC. They would otherwise face much greater consequences than Netflix ever would. Phone numbers are irrelevant for that though, so the only reason banks would think they need it is a false correlation between phone numbers and identities. Netflix also seems to think phone numbers have something to do with identities. But you'd expect banks to be more serious about verification. | | |
| ▲ | simonra 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Banks in the developed parts of the world only really need to know the national identifier of their customer to report their assets for tax purposes, and be capable of verifying passports/government id tied to the identifier when they show up physically to claim what's theirs. Asking about anything else is only needed because the Usians bullied everyone into wasting humanities limited resources on it because they're administratively stuck several centuries behind when it comes to governance. | | |
| ▲ | LoganDark 2 days ago | parent [-] | | See, I don't believe that IDs are only used for verifying that someone in-person is the owner of an online account, because if that were the case, I wouldn't need an ID for banks that don't have physical locations. Rather it seems ID verification is used to correlate a legal person's accounts with each other, and make it more difficult to perform confidence scams. (Confidence scams typically include things like using a different identity to disconnect your actions, and their consequences, from your own legal identity.) | | |
| ▲ | direwolf20 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | They are. And the government sets an ID standard, everyone implements it and it's done. There's no ever escalating paranoia. | |
| ▲ | simonra a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | But the ID is of course tied to a nationally centralized auth/login system for the digital variant of the services, as it has been for decades. The notion of being capable of using someone else's ID in the first place is just absurd in this day and age. | | |
| ▲ | LoganDark a day ago | parent [-] | | I've never had to authenticate to any sort of federal or state system to create or operate a bank account. I just provide ID and SSN and that's it. I have to do it to access my taxes, but that's because the tax agency itself is already on the federal or state level. Also, glad to hear that identity theft has stopped existing, it's about time. Hmm, why are identity fraud alerts still a thing? I'm sure they just haven't gotten around to removing it yet. |
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| ▲ | john01dav 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > For example I had a residential landline number from my home town assigned and routed to a mobile in another country for better billing when my family wants to call. Why not just use some calling system that isn't legacy phone based? My preference is Signal because it's easy enough to use (including for non technical people), works well enough, and is private. | |
| ▲ | cartoonworld 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah but you can easily use an api for HLR lookup and see where it is ported to | | |
| ▲ | viraptor 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not fully reliable. For example you can have local residential lines that in practice go over VoIP and the provider allows you to use the same account to call out. They'll be classified as just normal landlines. It will vary wildly from place to place, but I think soon the type field in HLR will mostly lose its meaning. (Just checked my company number, running on a hosted PBX, and it's marked as landline with no extra porting info that would contradict it) | |
| ▲ | noman-land 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | What's HLR? Can you explain? | | |
| ▲ | bennettnate5 3 days ago | parent [-] | | The Home Location Register (HLR) is the telephone-provider-specific database that routes calls coming from other providers; while originally a 2G term (it's HSS in LTE and UDM in 5G), people still just call it a HLR lookup. The actual HLR lookup itself goes to a separate country-wide database that maps phone numbers to the cellular or SIP provider. So, when you place a call, your provider can use that database to then lookup the HLR database and reach out to it to further route your call to that person's specific location. |
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