I honestly don't understand why there isn't more people talking about debian. Ubuntu is always mentioned, but it's going down hill, and debian is the obvious alternative. When I went from Ubuntu to debian, I got way more recent versions of my software. That used to be the only complaint people had with debian.

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laurencerowe 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Whether Debian or Ubuntu LTS have newer versions of software really just depends on which was most recently released - they both have a 2 year release schedule but release on alternating years.

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sgc 3 days ago | parent [-]

Debian testing seems to be more stable than what most distros put in main. I bend the rules and get most everything from backports to have the best of both worlds (stable + testing).

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laurencerowe 3 days ago | parent [-]

From my experience (albeit 20 years ago) Debian testing was basically unusable since it could get into an unworkable state quite easily. You were much better off running unstable instead if you needed the absolutely most recent versions of stuff. It would still break occasionally but would get fixes would be available much sooner.

Backports are quite variable. Distro packaging systems are really awkward for software from language ecosystems with many dependencies. I end up having to install a static build of podman if I want a recent version. A backport basically seems impossible.

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sgc 2 days ago | parent [-]

I have been running with backports for years and can't remember the last time I had a problem. Perhaps things have matured over the years to explain the different experiences.

	▲	laurencerowe 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Backports don’t break a stable install, they tend to either work or are incompatible due to underlying library mismatches (eg libc upgrade.) However running a testing install can result in a broken system after an apt upgrade and it can stay broken for some time while fixes work their way in from unstable.

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boredatoms 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wish debian would include ssh-import-id in the installer, its a minor change but big quality of life improvement that ubuntu has

	▲	jamiesonbecker 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		would Userify solve that need for you? old but reliable

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Grimeton 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Ubuntu is a frozen debian/sid. At least it was back in the day.