Proof please.

Assuming you're not trolling, you should really dig in more. They basically had it down to a science - what with the execution rooms with the chair and slot, blood draining into the floor, pre-dug mass graves, etc.

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holgerschurig 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Actually, the question for proof is valid. The poster claimed

> where "everybody" resisted their yoke was to kill off everybody

and okay, the everybody is in quotation marks. Which indicates that this doesn't mean 100%. But how much is "everybody"? If he doesn't owe us a proof for that claim, he owes us a clarification.

In some soviet satellite states, the soviet occupation zones killed way less than 100% who resisted. There are studies that in East Germany about those early opponents to the socialist systems (e.g. to the seizing of capital, farmers land, the cleansing of the universities and schools etc). They took 100% of the opponents in custody. And a good amount of non-opponents, there was no real proof of guilty needed. About 30% of the people of the inmates died in those 4 years of soviet occupation.

To me, this is certainly not "where EVERYBODY resisted their yoke was to KILL off everybody". But it was still cruel, still a stalinist forced occupation, a theft of an extremely large scale.

And so, if someone states such a general stand ... he would have to go forward with proofs. And that's a question of science, logical reasoning. Not if your political stance is extremist left or not.

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tehjoker 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sounds like you could be talking about America. Have you ever read about what we did in Vietnam, Korea, or Indonesia? Or what we did to Black or Indigenous people?

That's millions and millions of bodies. Capitalism isn't pretty.

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WarmWash 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Can you give an example from history of a role model nation?

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UpsideDownRide 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Capitalism isn't pretty. Soviet style communism is even worse.

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aliasxneo 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Just out of curiosity, what implores you to ask me those questions? Considering I said nothing about any of those topics. It feels like a weird reaction to suddenly make this about capitalism vs communism.

But I suppose I'll engage despite it being hard to take your confusion about America seriously. In places such as the Lubyanka basement, Butovo firing range, and other NKVD sites, prisoners were often shot in the back of the head while standing or seated. Some facilities had drainage systems or chutes. Bodies were trucked to pre-prepared mass graves (Katyn, Kurapaty, Bykivnia, and many others). This was part of a deliberate system of class-based and political terror: the Red Terror under Lenin, the Great Purge, dekulakization, the Holodomor, and the gulag system.

If you can show me where in history America implemented this system, such that you could honestly be confused whether I was talking about Russia or America, I would be truly impressed.

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tehjoker 8 hours ago | parent [-]

It is interesting how people fail to conceptualize the terror imposed on Black and native people as happening "to us". It shows how effective U.S. propaganda has been at framing the national body and dismissing people as "others" deserving of harsh treatment.

	▲	aliasxneo 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I noticed you didn't provide anything that would constitute a counter-argument. Have you considered people might not take what you say seriously because of that? The word "people" in your sentence is vague and seems to be a generalized ad-hominem attack, probably intending to categorize myself in it - despite you having absolutely no evidence to back it up. This level of ignorance is not going to help your cause. It's quite possible to abhor the atrocities of the red terror and American slavery, as I do. What I do _not_ do is play revisionist and pretend like America has ever setup such a precise killing machine as the Soviets did in the 20th century.

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surfingdino a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

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holgerschurig 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, if I relax "killed" to be "oppressed" then we have tons of proof on this. Before the east german GDR was errected, it was 4 years a soviet occupied zone. It was during this time that e.g. all the farmers land was seized, the the SMAD errected a system of "pre-censorship", that they "washed" the teachers, that they demontaged most of the companies, that they seized the money from banks and companies and so on.

And don't you think that there was no opposition. Many farmers, living on and from the land of their parents grandparents (etc, lasting generations back) were really tied to their land. So they were repressed, often with made-up claims, a political process and than jail. But sometimes with death (death penalty existed under soviet occupation). But not only farmers were persecuted on opposition, also company owners and managers.

122671 germans were "captured" --- and I mean it. Often relatives weren't told about the accusation or where they were injailed. Some came to normal jails, but 42889 died while in custody. That's such a high percentage that one cannot assume normal die reasons. Studies estimate that 1% of the population was arrested and 30% of the arresed died due to "circumstances".

And we know that even after the soviet occupation turned into the founding of east germany (GDR) that the east-german secret police, Stasi, occassionally killed political opponents by firing squads.

So, for the oppressed population it was known that anyone who opposes would be taken away with unknown destination. And that a good amount of them never returned.

And keep in mind that this was just after the Nazi time. Non-german people always focus on how the Nazis killed Jews. And they are totally right ... but they ALSO tortured and killed political opponents. So for a german in 1949 it was not unknown to some political police arriving at 4 o clock in the morning and taking you to some torture camp. You didn't need to be a jew, gypsi or Jehova's Witness. Just the rumor that you opposed the system was enough.

It was a climate of feat. And the soviets and later the leading east germans continued that.

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Muromec 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You aren't doing communism any good by whitewashing r*ian crimes from soviet time

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086425890653 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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