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| I wish I could get the mac hardware with linux. MacOS I am not a fan of. But they have the best hardware and the best cpus for laptops bar none. |
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| ▲ | RunSet a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| More than that, I wish I could get all the apple crap off the drive that is glued into the Macbook. That is something asahi has vowed to never enable. https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/security/#apples-unspok... It might have worked out better if Apple had forbidden Linux on Apple Silicon instead of controlling a pet Linux project. |
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| ▲ | pcwalton 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You're never going to be able to get the Apple code off an Apple Silicon Mac anyway, because of the enormous amount of proprietary firmware that the OS has to interface with. Apple Silicon devices offload an exceptional amount of hardware functionality to firmware blobs that the OS just sends messages to. Removing the macOS container wouldn't change this. | | |
| ▲ | y1n0 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | Reversing said blobs is only a few tokens away. | | |
| ▲ | what 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | Keep us posted. I assume you have a few tokens to spare. | | |
| ▲ | nout 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | Linuxes are now running up to M3 CPUs (and also A18, which is funny). | | |
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| ▲ | rafram a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As far as I know, the Asahi project has absolutely no communication with Apple. It’s not Apple’s “pet” project and they don’t control it. | | | |
| ▲ | Joel_Mckay a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Tying is technically illegal, and allowing other OS to be installed is your only real defense as a business. Some ignore these laws with software, but do so at their own peril. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tying_(commerce) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law Note, keeping competitors barely operational inside a walled garden is classic Apple policy. No other company has the goodwill inertia to pull off such stunts. =3 | | |
| ▲ | 29083011397778 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Tying (informally, product tying) is the practice of selling one product or service as a mandatory addition to the purchase of a different product or service MacOS isn't sold anymore, it's a free download for all supported Macs - meaning Apple is not "selling one product or service as a mandatory addition to the purchase of a different product", regardless of which product you think is being tied to the other (hardware or software). I can see where you're coming from, but Apple wouldn't necessarily be in trouble due to the wording of the law. Maybe in some countries where the spirit of a law matters more than the specific wording, but we're quoting US legal definitions here, and my mental model of the US legal system has the phrasing mattering more than the intention | | |
| ▲ | Joel_Mckay 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | You may have missed the context of the conversation, and the sales-funnel of the app store installed along with the "OS". =3 | | |
| ▲ | AnthonyMouse 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's also missing the condition. macOS is only "free" after you buy their hardware, i.e. acquiring it is still tied to buying the hardware. If it was actually independently available for free then you wouldn't be prohibited from running it on other hardware. See also Windows and Internet Explorer. | | |
| ▲ | carlosjobim 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Neither MacOS nor iOS are anywhere near being dominant in their markets in the same way Microsoft was with Windows. Ford isn't getting sued either for only selling cars with Ford motors inside. | | |
| ▲ | AnthonyMouse 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Neither MacOS nor iOS are anywhere near being dominant in their markets in the same way Microsoft was with Windows. A market is the set of goods or services that are fungible substitutes for one another. If Ford and Chevy use the same kind of battery as each other but Honda and Toyota use a different kind then "battery for Ford or Chevy" is a market and "battery for Honda or Toyota" is a different market. If they each require different kinds of battery then "battery for Ford" is a separate market from "battery for Chevy", but even within those markets there can be multiple competitors, i.e. Ford isn't necessarily the only company that makes batteries compatible with Ford vehicles. Whereas if Ford vehicles use a different kind of battery than other vehicles and there is only one company who makes that kind of battery, "battery for Ford vehicles" would be a market in which that supplier has a monopoly, regardless of whether the one supplier is Ford or someone else. Which one of these looks like what Apple is doing? > Ford isn't getting sued either for only selling cars with Ford motors inside. Ford isn't only selling cars with Ford motors inside. They offer them that way, and it's a popular purchase option, but they'll also sell anyone essentially any part of the car by itself. They also don't prohibit you from taking the engine out of your Ford and putting it in a Chevy or vice versa. | | |
| ▲ | carlosjobim 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | This argument is always being made on HN and is always wrong. And it becomes more wrong every time it is repeated. Because with that logic, every company in the world is a monopoly because every company in the world has their own niche and their own products which are different from others. > Ford isn't only selling cars with Ford motors inside. Ford would never sell you a car with an engine in it which isn't from them. > They also don't prohibit you from taking the engine out of your Ford and putting it in a Chevy or vice versa. Apple doesn't prohibit you either from ripping out the motherboard from the chassis of whatever device and putting your own stuff in there. People change batteries etc. | | |
| ▲ | AnthonyMouse 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Because with that logic, every company in the world is a monopoly because every company in the world has their own niche and their own products which are different from others. There are numerous companies that make bleach or wheat or ceramic bowls. Their products are completely fungible with their competitors. None of them has a monopoly on any of that. Whereas the ones that have no viable substitutes for a particular use... have a monopoly. That's what a monopoly is. It's when you can't get something from anyone else. That's not the same thing as having a vendor-specific part. It's pretty common that the brake pads for a particular vehicle won't fit on a car from any other make. However, that doesn't mean the OEM is the only one who makes that part. You can get Ford-specific brake pads from Duralast or Powerstop or others in addition to getting them from Ford. > Ford would never sell you a car with an engine in it which isn't from them. Ford has sold millions of cars with engines in them from Mazda and others. > Apple doesn't prohibit you either from ripping out the motherboard from the chassis of whatever device and putting your own stuff in there. People change batteries etc. They expressly prohibit you from running macOS or iOS on anyone else's hardware, and likewise prevent you from running any other OS on an iPhone. |
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| ▲ | piltdownman 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The dominance benchmark is usually around 70% market share. Apple's iOS holds a 52% to 58% market share in the United States. It's not terribly far off tbh. More to the point, the EU have already slapped them with two separate $500m fines having repeatedly found that Apple used iOS and the App Store to break antitrust laws. The US have a similar case hinging on all sorts of things ranging from green text message bubbles to heavily restricting access to the NFC API and affording to itself the privilege of host-card emulation via Apple Wallet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Apple_(2024) | |
| ▲ | solyin 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ford has been, however, sued multiple times over the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975, for trying to void the warranty if you made aftermarket changes. Because you bought the Ford and the laws say it's yours, you are free to rip out the Ford engine and put in a Honda engine if you so please. (Emissions laws notwithstanding.) If Ford was saying you cannot tear out the engine on a car you own and put in a different one, and they welded the hood shut, then it would be a better comparison. Neither Ford nor Apple would be so foolish though. It's just that the metaphorical hood welds in the iPhone's case havent been broken recently. | | |
| ▲ | carlosjobim 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's a different subject matter. But how is Ford supposed to be able to guarantee the functioning of a car that they didn't make? Since you made it yourself by making changes? It makes sense that they would challenge such warranty claims all the way to the court. A lot of things on cars are welded or otherwise very difficult for the customer to modify, and I don't think any court would have a big problem with that. | | |
| ▲ | zchrykng 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | They have to prove that the changes you made is what caused the failure. If they can't and/or the changes are unrelated to the warranty claim, they have to honor it. | | |
| ▲ | carlosjobim 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's very reasonable. And the warranty should of course get voided if it is evident that the user customization could have caused whatever problem. |
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| ▲ | dmitrygr a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | You object to their extremely well-explained well-argued and sane position, but make no argument why or what position you prefer? > instead of controlling a pet Linux project. Huh? Apple does not control Asahi and never did. |
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| ▲ | keyle a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Seeing the amount of trouble I'm having getting my HP omnibook X 14 (Snapdragon / ARM) to run linux with all peripherals; don't hold your breath. I much prefer ARM over x64 and Linux/BSD over the alternative but it's a wasteland of patches and technical debt out there. |
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| ▲ | Doohickey-d 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think one advantage of Linux on Mac hardware is that it's a consistent target: everyone is using and developing against the same hardware, and there's millions out there.
Vs other ARM laptops there's 100s of different models, so 100s of different fixes and everyone fixing their "own" model with fixes that are only useful for that model | |
| ▲ | happyPersonR a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I had one of those … the only reason I got it was for the NPU and the ram … but then there was no PCIE bandwidth …. Moved on lol | | |
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| ▲ | nerdywordy a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| M1-M3 support: https://omarchy.org/news/2026/11/omarchy-4-5/
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| ▲ | porphyra a day ago | parent | next [-] | | There's also gravity linux with M4 support: https://gravitylinux.org/ | | |
| ▲ | justauserid 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Is there any that supports that fingerprint reader? Asahi doesn't. | | |
| ▲ | functionmouse 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | I stopped using my fingerprint readers on all my PCs and just set my passwords all to "asdf". It's faster, more convenient, and more consistent, than the fingerprint reader ever was. :) |
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| ▲ | cromka 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Alpha" support. Not for day-to-day use. |
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| ▲ | plaguna a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Is that just Omarchy or are they sharing the progress with other distros? | | |
| ▲ | mrkstu a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Asahi doesn't take AI generated code, so they won't take Omarchy code, but they are trying to get upstream core Linux to accept their patches. | |
| ▲ | manofmanysmiles a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I imagine some of the maintainers of distributions are uncomfortable with the amount of LLM-generated code. I also imagine they will be left behind, for better or for worse as AI-authored software and hardware will satisfy people's needs faster than that developed by humans. I don't see a way to merge these rapidly moving frontiers of software without radically different distributed software development and distribution networks where AIs collaborate on a global scale. Perhaps the only way to keep playing is to grow a "super cortex", a projection of ourselves into the digital. Like today's agents, but improved, grounded by our knowledge and understanding. This smells a bit like Skynet. Also, Software Heaven. I'm not sure how I feel. | | |
| ▲ | mrkstu a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Linus is full steam ahead on AI, so one way or another those distros will be running AI code unless they want to fork the kernel. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai a day ago | parent [-] | | It doesn't mean that people don't review the code, though. You still can't ask Linus to merge a million-line patch, even if it works. And more importantly, documenting Mac hardware takes time. Components like the speaker on a Macbook can be permanently damaged if you don't write the drivers in a specific way. Other features like the Secure Enclave, power management, and TouchID might be unsupportable depending on how Apple designed it. Asahi's stance isn't particularly crazy, and it probably aligns with how Linus feels about upstreaming code that nobody understands. | | |
| ▲ | benoau a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I think the other factor is all these additional projects are starting from the work Asahi has done, whether they're actually able to deliver substantial value themselves is yet to be seen, especially safely and securely. Personally I don't think it's very likely the tables would turn and Asahi became dependent upon their contributions. I foresee a much bleaker future for Omarchy, crashing and burning from some reckless and unnecessarily abrasive whim of DHH. I'm not optimistic about Gravity Linux either, it's a single-dev project and that's prone to failure for many reasons. | |
| ▲ | gorilla_fight a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | TouchID is already supported on Omarchy, I use it on my daily driver MacBook works great. The speaker too. It is quite remarkable how far along support has come: https://aurorasilicon.org/devices/ | | |
| ▲ | cromka 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > TouchID is already supported on Omarchy, I use it on my daily driver MacBook works great. And the way they have written that driver is absolute crap, not submimissible at all. They will need to write it from scratch, properly, using a TEE driver, a sensor driver, a userspace supplicant plumbing and an fprintd patch. What they did, instead, is they run pretty much everything in-kernel. So, can't wait for ridiculous exploits that make your fingerprint effectively a backdoor to your OS. That fingeprint implentation to me is a perfect example of how ignorant Omarchy people and their users are about security and I wish more people were loud about it. Just point your LLM at that TouchID code to audit it, see the amount of stuff it flags. | |
| ▲ | justauserid 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://github.com/omacom/omarchy/blob/quattro/manual/44-mac... but here they say > Please note that installing on an M-series Mac is not directly supported at this time. | |
| ▲ | whilenot-dev 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Support would be great, but there seems no way to download it atm: https://aurorasilicon.org/docs/download/ | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | For M4 and M5, the speakers are not listed as working. M1, M2 and M3 are all using Asahi drivers. > It is quite remarkable how far along support has come Is it? All I'm seeing from that page is that they forked Asahi's M1-M4 work, and then failed to bring up M5 and M6. What's remarkable here? |
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| ▲ | bitwize a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I imagine some of the maintainers of distributions are uncomfortable with the amount of LLM-generated code. Then those distributions will fail. It's 2026. Any open source project with an anti-AI stance will get its milkshake drunk by a fork that embraces AI. How can people still not see this? | | |
| ▲ | bigstrat2003 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | a) it's not a race. b) being left behind is a good thing if your counterparts are headed in the wrong direction. I think projects which lean into LLMs are going to find they have a hot mess a year or two from now, whereas projects that eschewed them will be in a good place. | |
| ▲ | hakfoo 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't buy that. Not everything is a race-to-the-finish competition. The primary message we get out of the AI ecosystem is "MORE MORE MORE FASTER FASTER FASTER". First off, that's not really what plenty of projects are about. You might like your favourite Linux distribution or desktop environment because it represents less, as a curated vision-- an AI "workalike" could offer ten thousand new features per week, but break the earned trust that a single clear vision provided. Second, beyond a certain point, speed burns through the human components of a software project. There are only so many reviews that can be done, whether the source is AI or enthusiastic humans. Quality eventually suffers, contributors burn out, and the project dies. If you point a well-funded slop cannon at an unfunded open-source project, they're not going to say "let's find 20 new reviewers to keep up with the firehose of commits!" They either have to circle their wagons and get finicky about what they allow, throw up their hands about quality, or rely on the machine itself, the dreamworld where they build enough test suites and harnesses to somehow keep Microsoft Paint from having zero-days. Given those choices, I feel like I'd be happier to see "we circled the wagons". This doesn't necessarily mean "no AI" but it means keeping the project at a manageable scale, and right now, the way to handle that is to push away AI contributions without a bulletproof background behind them. Going even further, it's high time we saw a "slow software" movement to counter the "move fast and break things" and its new cousin "move even faster and let the bot break things for you". I want smaller programs written by happier people under less psychic and economic assault. | | |
| ▲ | andrekandre 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | > "MORE MORE MORE FASTER FASTER FASTER".
this has been true for just about everything tbf. news cycles, product cycles, movies/tv all have to accelerate to feed economic demands for growth... ai just a potential accelerator of that.. |
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| ▲ | bigyabai 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > How can people still not see this? Perhaps the 30+ years of non-LLM generated Linux support for UEFI/ACPI and ARM device tree chips has something to do with it. | | |
| ▲ | bitwize 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | Developed with techniques that were state-of-the-art at the time. The state of the art has changed. | | |
| ▲ | cromka 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The state of the art has changed. I keep repeating myself, but make an effort to check the "state of the art" of the crap they added to their kernel tree. | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You still need documentation. Asahi on M1 is 7 years old, with no ACPI substitute. It may shock you to hear that coding was never the bottleneck for emulation or reverse-engineering. | | |
| ▲ | bitwize 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | LLMs are arguably even more superhuman for the bits that do matter for reverse engineering, than they are at coding! Again, any RE project that forbids AI use will get its milkshake drunk by a similar project that embraces AI. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'll believe it when I see it. As I said, there are still unsolved problems that AI can't fix taking shots in the dark. I have no particular love for Asahi, but they've made 10x more progress than the vibe coded alternatives. |
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| ▲ | orangecat 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It may shock you to hear that coding was never the bottleneck for emulation or reverse-engineering. Yes, and LLMs work well for the non-coding parts too. Pointing Claude at Gravity's repos has gotten Linux running well on my M4 Pro mini, with GPU acceleration as of a few days ago. So either I'm a genius or LLMs are pretty good at this, and I'm not a genius. | | |
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| ▲ | cromka 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > How can people still not see this? You fanboy people are so insufferable, if you had any clue about the code quality standards and cared about security, YOU would see this other way. I have personally vetted their code for TouchID and some other aspects, including USB-C/Thunderbolt. I absolutely cannot wait to hear your apologist brown-nosing when you start getting targeted with exploits. | |
| ▲ | cyclopeanutopia a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe it's you who are seeing what you want, not what's there. :) |
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| ▲ | favorited a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's Asahi Alarm + Omarchy configs. | |
| ▲ | wyre a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Fedora and Void Linux both can run on Asahi Linux (M1-M3 macs) |
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| ▲ | SilentM68 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Omarchy's one of the three OSs that I tried today on an Ubuntu 26.4 VM host. I was a quick install but if felt a bit rough, like driving a tractor. I also got in trouble when I tried to bring up the Display Settings and screwed things up. Not ready for prime-time, in my case anyways. Probably was my inexperience with arch distros. Also tried LordOS very quick, very easy to install, looks and feels like macOS, but Debian distro underneath. I also tried GhostBSD. It's easy enough to work with, but it does not have any packages for "spice-vdagent," which I needed to resize the screen size and clipboard copy/paste support between host and guest devices when using Virt Manager :( | |
| ▲ | rafram a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
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| ▲ | stasomatic a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Macs run macOS. That’s how they are sold, that’s the deal, vertical integration and all that. Annoying to get this sentiment brought up over and over. Don’t buy a Mac if you prefer another OS, complain to other hardware vendors to get their stuff together. |
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| ▲ | R1D3R 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How is this sentiment annoying to you? People want Linux on good hardware, how is that annoying to you? | | |
| ▲ | stasomatic 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Apple sells what it says on the tin. Vertical integration, macOS. If you want to hack the HW, do, but don't blame Apple, blame yourself. |
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| ▲ | bigyabai a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Macs run macOS. They run other things, too. There's no valid technical reason it can't or shouldn't, and Apple deserves the scrutiny if they won't bring macOS up to parity with Linux. Modern macOS is legitimately terrible, and ~100% to blame for why Macs are shunned for HPC, on-prem and other professional applications. | | |
| ▲ | carlosjobim 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There are hundreds of millions of professionals in the world who need a computer that works for their work and daily life and aren't server admins or software developers. Please let us have the Macs in peace. We only have this option, while you have dozens of different PC makers for your Linux. | | |
| ▲ | diegolas 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | but nobody is trying to take that away from you? having a reliable linux distro for apple hardware couldn't affect you in any way | | |
| ▲ | carlosjobim 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | "bring macOS up to parity with Linux" sounds like a direction of development which wouldn't be very desirable for people like me. | | |
| ▲ | diegolas 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | unless the OS was behind on features that wouldn't affect you if they were there | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is not a single Linux feature you have named that would impede your day-to-day workflow. Methinks the lady doth protest too much. | | |
| ▲ | carlosjobim 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Linux users are like pickup truck drivers going to every motorcycle meeting to walk around complaining that motorcycles should be more like trucks. Different four strokes for different folks. |
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| ▲ | stasomatic 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Terrible? I love it. Since 84. They run other things, too What other things outside of containers or iPad apps? | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Terrible? I love it. You're part of a minority. > What other things outside of containers or iPad apps? Linux with fully native Vulkan drivers, for one. |
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| ▲ | mikepurvis a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| John Gruber in 2006: > It’s just not true that most Mac users use Macs because the hardware is better designed. They’re Mac users because of the Mac OS. What the original cloning program showed was that many of Apple’s customers were Mac fans, not Apple fans. https://daringfireball.net/2006/04/asinine_and_or_risky_idea... |
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| ▲ | ChrisClark a day ago | parent [-] | | It really has changed since then, wow | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 a day ago | parent [-] | | It was always a combo for me. But for all of the macOS warts, it's not like I'm going to switch to Windows. There was a time I could have seen myself using a Mactel system running Linux as a daily driver, but the M-series chips make that less viable today. So, macOS it still remains. Luckily, with recent career changes, I spent drastically less time on a computer every day. It's glorious. | | |
| ▲ | mikepurvis 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I bought the first gen white MacBook when it came out. I was pretty sure I would like OS X, but having hardware that gave the option to go back was enough to sell me on it. I did briefly do boot camp to run Solidworks for my engineering degree, but otherwise the native Mac experience was good to me. I had several Mac laptops over the decade that followed, but ultimately ended up back on a Windows 11 workstation with heavy WSL usage and a NUC and Thinkpad X1 both running Ubuntu in supporting roles. So almost by accident, my time as a Mac user overlapped perfectly with the Intel era. |
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| ▲ | aspectmin 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Omarchy on Macs (Arch linux) is AMAZING. And the new release (3.5?) supports the Apple Silicon ones. |
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| ▲ | thesuitonym a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple |
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| ▲ | Grombobulous a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not really! The gulf between MacBook hardware and other laptops as well as Apple CPUs and the competitors is narrowing greatly. Maybe we can say that they’re still the best, but it’s not 2x better like 2020, it’s more like 10-20% better. For example, Panther Lake beats M5 battery life in real laptops available on the market, GPU performance, and multicore performance. Just look at Marques Brownlee’s review of the Framework 13 Pro. Or the review of the ThinkPad X9 15p from Just Josh Tech. I see this mistake all the time where there’s an assumption that MacBooks are still far and away the best without looking at more up-to-date information and evaluating current competition. |
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| ▲ | YegoBear a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I have an X9-15p with the X7 CPU and an M4 Max 16” MBP. I love the X9, it’s so light and powerful enough for most of what I do. That being said, it’s nowhere near as powerful as the M4 Max, not even close, and here in the US, there’s no 64GB model available. | | |
| ▲ | Grombobulous 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | The cheapest M4 Max MacBook Pro on sale is $4500. That’s over $1000 more than a X9-15p isn’t it? What you’re saying is true, but if your workflow involves graphics at all, Apple’s Max chips are subpar compared to getting a laptop with an Nvidia discrete GPU (e.g., 2026 ASUS Zephyrus G16). For the Mac chips to make sense you have to specifically need very high CPU performance, be running local AI workflows (which you can do with cloud subscriptions for less money and better results, or you have alternatives like RTX Spark that cost roughly the same as MacBook Pro alternatives), and not want to play games (see gaming benchmarks on multi-platform native games like Cyberpunk 2077, high end Macs get walloped by mid-range discrete GPUs in laptops). In short, I imagine that 90%+ of MacBook Pro buyers are buying the base M chip or at most the Pro chip, and those SKUs have much more competition. A Mac is more of a good laptop for your employer than for you and me. |
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| ▲ | what 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why are you citing reviews from random people and not benchmarks? | | |
| ▲ | solyin 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Because the benchmarks are meaningless piles of numbers that are irrelevant to day to day using of a laptop. I want to hear from a human not robot. Benchmarks have been and will be gamed. Hopefully human reviewers like Marques Brownlee and Just Josh Tech are less easily gamed. | | |
| ▲ | Grombobulous 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just Josh Tech does exactly that. They perform both synthetic benchmarks and real world benchmarks including an office productivity test involving realistic screen brightness (where the Framework 13 Pro beat any MacBook with an M5 or M4 chip). Marques’ Framework 13 Pro review was much more of a layperson’s review with a focus on overall user experience. |
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| ▲ | Grombobulous 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because the reviews from “random” people have benchmarks. See, this is the problem, Mac enthusiasts refuse to do research, even when people point them in the right direction. They just want to believe their computers are the best and never shop competition. I didn’t swap my M2 MacBook Pro because I didn’t like my Mac, I swapped it because it found a better solution for my needs. |
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| ▲ | sandGorgon a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Lenovo Yoga. |
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| ▲ | tommy_axle a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Maybe they offer Intel variants again one day. 2014-2018 Intel Mac Minis work great with Linux. |
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| ▲ | bestouff a day ago | parent [-] | | No that's not a "best CPU".
Arm Macs are the ones with the best CPUs, by far. |
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| ▲ | teh_infallible 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think Omarchy just rolled out support for Apple |
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| ▲ | cromka 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | They didn't, it's basically same M1-M3 as Asahi with some extra experimental stuff. |
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| ▲ | OnlineTux a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Forget tech bro's Omarchy crap, go with the original project (Fedora Gnome and KDE spins available): https://asahilinux.org/ |
