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▲ smolder 2 hours ago

> They're generating their own electricity

Yeah, from natgas right? Or maybe diesel generators? Or are they building one of the practically nonexistent green energy data centers?

▲twiclo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Natural gas. I suppose my gas bill could go up

▲niwtsol 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What about emissions from the generation of this power in salt lake valley? I believe a big argument was the valley with its inversions and geographical layout makes that pollution much worse for people who live in it.

▲twiclo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This DC will be probably a 3 hour drive from the Salt Lake valley. We're building a nuclear power plant as well which is going to help with pollution.

Ultimately we can't stop Oleary from building this. It's his legal right to do what he wants with his property. I'm just happy we're getting such a good deal out of this.

▲stetrain 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Ultimately we can't stop Oleary from building this. It's his legal right to do what he wants with his property.

When there is political will we can absolutely restrict people from doing things with their property. This is the entire premise of zoning laws among other regulations.

Whether the political will in your specific case has reached that point is another issue, but in many cases it seems to be approaching that level, especially where existing or proposed developments seem like they will directly impact the community that's already there.

▲kube-system 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Voters can absolutely regulate emissions, land use, etc.

▲goda90 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The nuclear power plant will only help with pollution if it replaces existing fossil fuel use. If it just meets growing demand, pollution persists, and if growing demand is also filled by some fossil fuels then pollution increases, but just a bit slower because of the nuclear.

▲0c3ca83 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Also, if you want to leave a livable planet for your kids...

▲Silamoth an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And there it is, folks. That is the key issue here - or at least, one of them. This new data center would pollute the environment, not to mention taking up land. The consideration, then, is whether the need for yet another data center justifies the added pollution and land use. That’s a value judgment, and it seems a lot of people say no, we don’t need more data centers, not even for “AI” - at least not enough to justify the added pollution.

You seem worried about your bills. But what about the effect on the environment? People on HN are supposed to be into engineering, so what about the trade offs? That’s the discussion to have.

▲wat10000 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And your pollution levels.