| ▲ | imbusy111 3 hours ago |
| How are they generating this electricity without competing for resources generally? There is also the increase in cost of borrowing for everyone. Going this fast is just insane. |
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| ▲ | K0nserv 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I recall hearing an interview with a democratic politician (can't recall who), he had this thing: data centres need to BYONCE (Bring Your Own New Clean Energy). This seems pretty reasonable to me, if the data centres pay for any build-out of the grid required for their operation and bring online green energy, then they are fine. For the community, worst case they go bust and leave behind an improved grid. Off-grid gas generators are not BYONCE. |
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| ▲ | GenerWork an hour ago | parent [-] | | >data centres need to BYONCE (Bring Your Own New Clean Energy) This is just another way of saying "no data centers can be built". The people who want to build data centers don't care what it's powered by, but they choose gas turbines over wind & solar because renewables can't handle the power demands. | | |
| ▲ | K0nserv 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That seems like an awfully defeatist attitude. With all the capital investment flowing into AI, there should be plenty of money to research and improve renewables (including fusion, fission, and battery technology) to meet the moment. After all, we need to move past fossil fuels and are already delayed on this path, so AI is a good catalyst (among many) to make progress. On a meta-level, it's terrible politics for tech companies to roll out a technology that many don't see a need for and fear will take away their livelihood, while at the same time increasing CO2 emissions because renewables are too hard. Of course this course of action runs into massive opposition. | | |
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| ▲ | brookst 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If the concern is non-localized resource or debt contention how is it different from any business? I get generalized anxiety about pace of progress, but then let’s have that discussion rather than the canards about water or noise (which can be real in some cases, but taking GP at their word that’s not the case here). |
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| ▲ | runako 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > how is it different from any business? This is the crux. It's different because data centers are illegally operating gas turbines. If CVS were playing loud music all night every night, nobody would doubt the ability of local law enforcement to shut it down. That is not true of (specifically) AI data centers, so it is rational to reject them until law enforcement gains the ability to police them. | |
| ▲ | imbusy111 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Everyone has their own issue with this, it seems, but the majority has some issue. |
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| ▲ | elicash 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Someone with more knowledge than my 2-minutes of googling should correct me, but... It sounds like they'd be using the natural gas pipeline they would generate from starts in Opal, Wyoming (goes all the way to Oregon), and that the company behind it was in huge amounts of debt and filed Chapter 11 a few years ago. So at a glance, I'm curious if making it profitable might be helpful to everyone, but would need someone with more info to chime in before I could say that. |
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| ▲ | twiclo 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Natural gas which is abundant and cheap. I suppose I could see my gas bill going up. |
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| ▲ | imbusy111 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And you don't see any problem with burning more natural gas? | | |
| ▲ | kleiba2 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > What do you want the county to do? We can't tell someone that it's illegal to use their land. This is happening. I'm happy that we're getting a good deal out of it. You were asking for good reason against the data centers - I would imagine not being complicit in the detrimental effects caused by burning exorbitant amounts of fossils for electricity could be one of them. | |
| ▲ | rayiner 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Advancing civilization will require increasing energy use, yes. That's always been the long-term trend of development. | | |
| ▲ | paulhebert 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How is that working out environmentally? I think people would be more open to the data center buildout if the data center projects built their own clean energy infrastructure | | | |
| ▲ | pjc50 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Advancing civilization to what temperature? |
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| ▲ | Levitz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The problem is that anyone who actually cares about such thing has like a dozen better venues to deal with it than data centers, yet they haven't in their lives thought of a single one. | | |
| ▲ | goda90 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | What are you talking about? Why shouldn't we be opposed to all new use of fossil fuels? |
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| ▲ | twiclo 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What do you want the county to do? We can't tell someone that it's illegal to use their land. This is happening. I'm happy that we're getting a good deal out of it. | | |
| ▲ | goda90 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | We can certainly tell people it's illegal to emit pollution into the air. | |
| ▲ | pixl97 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >We can't tell someone that it's illegal to use their land We the voters 100% can. | |
| ▲ | CalRobert 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's literally illegal to build apartments almost everywhere. | | | |
| ▲ | pickleglitch 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What are you talking about? We can and do tell people what they can and can't do with their land all the time. That's what zoning laws do. | |
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| ▲ | blactuary 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Incremental use of more NG is a terrible idea. We have to get off of fossil fuels, not use even more, especially for this | | |
| ▲ | twiclo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The county is currently building a nuclear power plant | | |
| ▲ | happymellon 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then the DC should surely help fund it, and its existence should be dependent in its completion? Otherwise it will be like every other large scale development that offers this without being on the hook. The nuclear will get delayed. Always does. |
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| ▲ | kube-system 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Gas turbine generators which were originally designed for temporary use and don't meet the emissions regulations of a power plant? |
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