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▲ 0xy 3 hours ago

Of course, the US is fully of NIMBYs on all fronts. Housing, progress, infrastructure.

In my local area, there's routinely local opposition to substations built due to growing residential demand and water infrastructure facility build.

They're old boomers who don't want anything built, especially not if it will economically benefit their children.

▲jmull 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The high-level solution, though, is to stop concentrating housing and all the supporting infrastructure. NIMBY is a positive force in that regard.

The classic economic force concentrating people and businesses into small geographical areas is jobs, and perhaps jobs can finally be much more remote than in the past.

BTW, people will accept data centers near them when the price is right. The data center people just need to find that price.

▲smw an hour ago | parent [-]

Jobs, services, cultural institutions, hospitals, restaurants...

▲exitb 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Data centres have no real reason to be built in anyone's backyard. To prove it I'll just say that some of the guys that want to put it in your backyard, also ponder putting it in space.

▲0xy 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Interesting, so why is there still massive opposition to data center build that is several miles away from any residential housing?

▲infamouscow 2 hours ago | parent [-]

They're very loud and run 24/7.

▲schnevets 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Forgive my ignorance, but how would the current data center proposals "economically benefit their children"? It seems like a local land concession that would benefit a national economy, but hardly do anything long-term for the locality where the data center is built (maybe ~100 jobs and some property taxes).

▲WarmWash an hour ago | parent | next [-]

In most localities, the taxes levied on a DC would easily cover the school budget and then some.

Tax breaks are usually at the state level, towns get paid out, which is why so many towns were rubber stamping approvals so quickly.

▲0xy 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not sure where you've been but US productivity has skyrocketed since adoption of AI and this productivity increase has not been replicated in jurisdictions slower to adopt AI. This pushes up wages, decreases costs etc.

That's aside from the build-out jobs.

Anyone who works anywhere close to data center build including construction, networking, sysadmin is cleaning up right now. Their wages have doubled and demand is huge.

Maybe it is 100 permanent jobs, but that's huge for a small community, and the thousands of temporary jobs make an impact, too.

▲boelboel 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unless you're really ideology driven there's very few things that can be built around your neighbourhood (especially in a suburb) that will make it more valuable or pleasant to live. NIMBY is just not wanting to lose things.

▲renehsz an hour ago | parent [-]

This. If you own real estate, you have to account for that risk.

But current prices typically assume powerful NIMBYs blocking new development.

▲nilamo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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