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▲ swatcoder an hour ago

> for some reason they raised over $400M in funding and hired 1,500+ employees

You know the reason. A bunch of people were able to take home a lot of money because of that growth and now have the option to FIRE themselves whenever they want to shake off the stress.

That's the founder mentality that Y Combinator exists to leverage or encourage and it's ubiquity is what separates the prevailing 21st century technology movement from the nerdy, academic, UNIX-y movement that gave us GNU, linux, curl, ffmpeg, redis, etc

We got to watch innovative products get pumped full of helium until they explode with bloat and rent-seeking instead of accumulating a growing foundation of sturdy technical building blocks as we could have had on the other path.

AI now leads us into some new movement, the worst version of which a few model vendors protected by regulations absorb almost all technical accomplishment and lease it back out to everybody else, and the best version of which democratizes technical construction so widely that individuals can naively spin up effective solutions for the most idiosyncratic needs.

We'll see how it goes.

▲mifydev 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I miss the UNIX-y movement so much :(

▲zaik 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's not dead??

▲conductr a few seconds ago | parent [-]

It’s as dead as rock and roll

▲cnity 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You are good at writing. Thanks for this.

▲tonymet a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-]

trying to make money off an invention is perfectly reasonable.

▲terribleperson an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm already enjoying the second version. I just hope we get to keep it.

▲guitarlimeo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well put, hopefully it's the latter version.

▲vrganj an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hoarders can get piles of money,

That is true, hackers, that is true.

But they cannot help their neighbors;

That's not good, hackers, that's not good.

Join us now and share the software;

You'll be free, hackers, you'll be free.

-- The Free Software Song, as written and sung by rms

https://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.en.html

▲cluckindan an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Enshittification and private equity are synonymous. Strange that people are still surprised by this.

▲abirch 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Perpetual growth at all costs. No idea what's so bad about a mature stable product/company

▲theturtletalks an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s definitely the best version. I’m seeing so many amazing open source projects since people who once had the vision, but not the coding chops, can now build what they imagine. I myself am building a personal OS that connects to everything and it’s way more fun to build things and use them yourself vs just paying for some other software. Especially when that software can be enshittified or start to squeeze its users like you mentioned.

▲caned 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

[delayed]

▲surgical_fire 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Can you share any of these many open source projects? I am curious about them.

▲mschuster91 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> AI now leads us into some new movement, the worst version of which a few model vendors protected by regulations absorb almost all technical accomplishment and lease it back out to everybody else, and the best version of which democratizes technical construction so widely that individuals can naively spin up effective solutions for the most idiosyncratic needs.

Yeah and the issues from these vibecoded one-off programs will be felt for generations.

I got out of IT partially because I could see the writing on the wall. The "load bearing Excel sheet" is one thing, manageable if you could catch the person who wrote it in time before they depart or die and know your way around Excel - there's only so many ways to achieve a desired goal (unless the author used VBA, at which point all bets are off, and I member encountering a spreadsheet that macro-called in a DLL shipped together with the sheet).

But vibe coded AI bullshit? That is supposed to be hosted by someone and kept secure (i.e. isn't hackable in a few seconds by anyone who manages to compromise some dingus's laptop? Oh hell no. I'm outta there, I'm too old for this crap.

▲robotnikman 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

>and I member encountering a spreadsheet that macro-called in a DLL shipped together with the sheet

That sounds absolutely horrifying. I never encountered one of those before thankfully.

▲akiselev a minute ago | parent [-]

Oh it gets better.

That DLL hooks into SCADA and sometimes sends updates to a PLC controlling safety critical equipment. When does it send updates versus just query the controller? No one knows. The guy who wrote it died in an (unrelated) industrial accident involving a runaway forklift.

▲fock 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

sadly this is coming to your linux-distro in no time! Far too many single-dev core building block which are now adding features at breakneck speed conversing with AI only.

▲pessimizer 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> But vibe coded AI bullshit? That is supposed to be hosted by someone and kept secure

It's also astonishingly stupid. I don't want a one-off program for everything. I want a well-designed and battle-tested program that I can extend with AI, and that has a ton of people's AIs directed at it, constantly finding bugs, posting them on the bugtracker, and writing and debating pull requests.

I can't comprehend people who think that everything should be built over and over again, and that that will be safe, practical or cheap. It's like they're telling me that I should design a new language for each conversation that I have. Why would I?

The worst part is how far the capabilities of AI are from that dream anyway. They can't even write readable, intelligible code. They're being celebrated for being able to notice buffer overrun errors in code that people would also notice if anybody had ever really looked at some particular span of code in the last 10 years. It's finding errors in move fast and break things code and code that has been maintained by a weirdo professor in his spare time for free and half the economy somehow relies on. That's not magic, its a sign of how sloppy things got.

▲CamperBob2 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah and the issues from these vibecoded one-off programs will be felt for generations.

No, they won't. There's nothing wrong with a vibecoded one-off program, at least not that another vibecoded one-off program can't fix.

Source code is now object code, and vice versa. And AI-written code is more secure than human-written code, not less. Deal with it. We won't be going back.

▲birdsongs 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

True or not - this vibe of "deal with it, it's how things are" feels really crummy to me.

There's legitimate concerns and emotions here. No reason to be a dick when discussing it.

▲ericfr11 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Poor judgement call

▲surgical_fire 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> Deal with it.

Whenever I spot this shitty cop out here, it is always on a bad take. Never fails.