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▲ thrwaway73637 3 hours ago

playing at nfl level and kid level is something very different

▲estearum 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As someone who has had multiple concussions in other sports, the impacts in youth football are absolutely sufficient to cause concussions and more minor (but still cumulatively damaging) trauma. The fact that they're a repeated part of the game and not occasional incidents is very, very bad.

Requiring a child to play football should be actual child abuse, and even allowing it should be frowned upon the way that letting a child play with a blowtorch is.

▲thrwaway73637 2 hours ago | parent [-]

there you said it: you got concusions from other sports. so why single out football as the worst thing ever?

▲alistairSH 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Because football is the most studied and has one of the highest (if not the actual highest) rates of head trauma per time played.

Rugby and ice hockey are certainly bad, but at least the impacts are generally limited to play near the ball/puck, whereas with American football, essentially every player has an impact on every play (WR blocking on rush plays, etc).

▲toast0 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Certainly, football isn't the only thing people do that leads to head injuries.

But if it is significantly worse than other sports, why not single it out as the worst thing ever?

Several sports increase the risk of CTE, but football has been more studied, I think because the incidence of obviously impared former players is higher than in other sports.

▲estearum 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The fact that they're a repeated part of the game and not occasional incidents is very, very bad.

▲hibikir 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Due to the number of concussions per minute played. It could be worse (boxing), but it's not difficult to see how some sports are far riskier than others

▲lkjdsklf 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

CTE isn’t caused by concussions. Hence the rest of their comment.

▲dwaltrip 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is it not worse?

▲ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> playing at nfl level and kid level is something very different

Correct. NFL payers are better paid, get better medical care, have better training and equipment, and their brains are more developed.

▲sanex 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure but the quality of gear you get in the NFL is much higher than what your typical kid gets. I regret the two years of football I played in high school.

▲ourmandave an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The average weight of the front line NFL player is over 310 lbs.

At that size ratio from kids to pro, they should be rivaling Dark Helmet from Space Balls.

▲thrwaway73637 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

did you enjoy it at the time?

▲sanex an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Not enough to play senior year

▲amanaplanacanal 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm sure people enjoy heroin at the time.

▲butlike an hour ago | parent [-]

The best part about heroin is your brain can recover from it. CTE not so much.

▲chrisBob 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes! A child with a developing brain, and no medical staff on the sidelines is potentially in a worse situation.

▲alistairSH 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, and?

It's well established that the effects of repeated head trauma are cumulative, with progressively longer healing periods, worse symptoms, etc. And that sub-concussive impacts also accumulate along with the concussive impacts.

From the article: The bulk of the head impacts that these former NFL players experienced didn’t occur at the NFL level. They occurred at the collegiate level ... and at the high school level and in many cases the youth level. And all of those cumulative hits to the head added up to result in an increased risk,” said Daneshvar.

▲kyawzazaw 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

did you even read? the bulk happened at collegiate level

also there are studies on this

McKee et al. (2023) – Neuropathologic and Clinical Findings in Young Contact Sport Athletes Exposed to Repetitive Head Impacts (JAMA Neurology) [https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/2...]

Alosco et al. (2017) – Age of First Exposure to Tackle Football and Later-Life Cognitive Impairment and Neuropsychiatric Symptoms (Translational Psychiatry) [https://doi.org/10.1038/tp.2017.197]

even intl football headers have concerns

▲thrwaway73637 2 hours ago | parent [-]

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▲kakacik 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As mentioned elsewhere here the damage is cumulative and started in their youth

▲moate 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

From an injury perspective: What are they? Let's assume we're talking MS/HS football where the mass of the players is enough to really do some damage.

Provide your data Mr. Thrwaway, if that even is your real name.

▲thrwaway73637 2 hours ago | parent [-]

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▲jamiek88 2 hours ago | parent [-]

From the article: The bulk of the head impacts that these former NFL players experienced didn’t occur at the NFL level. They occurred at the collegiate level ... and at the high school level and in many cases the youth level. And all of those cumulative hits to the head added up to result in an increased risk,” said Daneshvar.