| ▲ | x313 4 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||
I work in this field (mech interp research) and I agree, the original post is definitely misleading. Some overselling in research is normal but it's a bit much. First, the key result has nothing to do with making Qwen better at math, it just reduces reasoning loops. Reasoning loops are a simple problem: the model generates the </think> token (which closes reasoning) with too low probability. You can fix this with simple steering approaches where you add a vector to different components of the LLM (https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.22048, https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.18167, etc). The method Astra used for identifying the vector is the standard procedure humans use (contrastive analysis). Such steering vector creation is basically the standard "intro-level interp project" for human researchers. If you can code and understand LLM internals, you can do this yourself in 4-8 hours. The SWE equivalent would be doing binary patching with a debugger. Cool that frontier models can do this, but not unexpected since humans can do it without issue. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | HarHarVeryFunny 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
Any idea why Alibaba might ship a model while aware that it has this defect when it is so easy to fix? Is this looping tough to fix by changing the training? | ||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | theptip 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
This was my impression on the math result too. Do you have thoughts on experiments one through five though? The direct one-shot reading/writing of weights seems pretty surprising. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | pussylover69 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
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