If your company actually cared about this they would be running their own inference instead of leaving fate to a couple of checkboxes.

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lukeschlather an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, why didn't I think of just spending $30k/month on an inference server and figuring out how to train a 2T parameter model. I clearly don't care about this at all or I would just do that.

	▲	nozzlegear an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> and figuring out how to train a 2T parameter model Why train your own model? You could use one of the many models already available on HF.
	▲	ndnxjxjdj an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		literally you can just run GLM

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rs999gti 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Agreed. Azure, GCP, and AWS have gated models that only exist in their infrastructures and can't dial out unless yous give them permissions to do so.

Don't use a models only company if you need enterprise level security and data protection.

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user052919 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

fair enough, but I still think it's an ethical issue for the model providers to silently reenable training after people have explicitly opted out

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monster_truck 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It didn't happen to me, nobody I know seems to have experienced this. How can you prove to us that you ever toggled it off in the first place? This is a pretty serious accusation to make so blindly

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user052919 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not an accusation! Just seems like it's happening, which is why I wanted to post this to ask if others noticed the same thing. I definitely can't prove it. If it had just been me I would have assumed I forgot to turn it off. But the fact that my coworkers noticed the same thing made it suspicious. Also the linked HN thread suggested others have seen this happening too

	▲	teekert 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Fwiw I've had this happen with Mistral, I fell right in the middle of them changing from opt-in to opt-out AND removing their org-wide dial (on the Teams plan). They reversed that last decision (the org-wide dial returned) about 48 hours later, but in the process they turned all sliders for all my staff back to "on". Not sure if it was all malicious (I think not, just a very crappy move that hit our trust in them pretty bad). After some emails they ensured me they stored no data for training. But strange things happen.

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novaRom an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe it's a "dark pattern" embedded into UI, like what Google does with their Photos app - chances are you or your kids accidentally will click a toggle "Enable Backup", so later your free Gmail will stop working because of "no more space left".

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latexr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Friend, there’s no need to be so combative. OP didn’t make an accusation, they observed something and made a conclusion which may be wrong or right, then came on HN to say the thing seems (key word that they used) to be happening and asking if anyone else has experienced it to test the theory and act accordingly.

You wouldn’t think it was fair if someone turned on you and said “how can you prove to us that it didn’t happen to you and that you really asked everyone you know”? That would be silly, right?

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lirolero 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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sanex 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah but how expensive is that vs $20 or 100/month subs?

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nozzlegear an hour ago | parent [-]

How much are your company's secrets and proprietary information worth, and how much would it cost to have them leak? You'd need to put a number on that before you could complete the calculus.

	▲	aleph_minus_one 41 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		On the other hand (in particular for smaller companies particularly not in the USA): How much can you afford to pay? Can you actually afford the self-hosted route?

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20k an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Its astonishing that anyone thinks that these companies even respect the checkbox. These are some of the objectively scummiest companies on earth that have violated nearly ever copyright law we have