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▲ dyauspitr 6 hours ago

Im still bullish on them at this price though. The terafab (already under construction) collab with Elon and 14A being the most powerful chip when they get it right has a lot of potential.

▲sterlind 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm still salty at them for fumbling Optane, Gaudi, Altera and the Xeon Phi. the company seems like it's full of talented engineers working under terrible leadership.

▲poxy22 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No. I worked on p1274 and p1276. They didnt take years to hit profitability because of leadership. There was a decade of brain drain and we just could not overcome the technical challenges. But that is heresy to ears of techies. The fact that something is just too hard for the talent at hand is just never offered up. Intel engineers, to put to bluntly: suck. (Me included. I was a senior principal.) There just isn’t enough talent there because they don’t pay enough. I took voluntary retirement and went to work for a smaller instrument maker. I’m way happier.

▲sterlind 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I hear you about the heresy, but are you sure you aren't being too hard on yourself? mismanagement can turn brilliant, passionate people into aimless zombies through demotivation and throwing you at problems that don't fit you.

also, my old boss thought Larabee was cool as hell when he got to play with it at MSR.

▲Grombobulous an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe this is a layperson’s misunderstanding but after seeing Panther Lake hit the consumer scene I have a hard time believing Intel has a talent problem.

I’d even say what Intel is doing with Arc graphics is incredibly impressive. Coming out of nowhere to legitimately compete with a decent set of AMD/Nvidia consumer and workstation graphics cards is no small feat.

▲cheema33 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

ex-Intel engineer here.

> Intel engineers, to put to bluntly: suck.

It hurts, but it is true.

> I took voluntary retirement and went to work for a smaller instrument maker. I’m way happier.

I was not so lucky. I would have loved the voluntary separation package. They did get around to doing straight large layoffs one year. My manager got laid off, I was not so lucky. I wanted the layoff package. I told him I'd happily trade places with him. He tried, but was denied. I ended up leaving anyway. Now, like you, working for a small company and much much happier.

▲Grombobulous an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I replied to another Intel engineer saying something similar: after seeing Panther Lake I just can’t believe that Intel has an engineering problem.

Intel engineers absolutely do not suck.

▲antonvs 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

Even at small companies, there can be huge variance in capabilities across teams.

▲sterlind 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

me and a quarter of my company are looking up the barrel of a voluntary separation package. but I just moved to a team full of brilliant people working on a project that's a zen garden of algorithm design, so I won't go gently into that dark night.

▲antonvs an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The fact that something is just too hard for the talent at hand is just never offered up.

Those of us who've worked at less illustrious companies are all too familiar with that. It's definitely unpopular to mention, but it drives a lot of consulting sales.

▲deaux 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> They didnt take years to hit profitability because of leadership.

Oh, it wasn't leadership?

> There just isn’t enough talent there because they don’t pay enough.

Ah, so it was leadership.

▲kadoban 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The list of shit that Intel was within the ballpark of the right tech or 5 years mistimed from having a huge hit is ridiculous. Fuckers don't have good management, but also must have terrible luck to keep _just_ missing the mark?

▲hparadiz 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a little odd they are completely missing the ddr5 gold rush when they are sitting on fabs.

▲anonymous_user9 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Fabricating memory requires different techniques than logic, and it would take Intel several years to develop a commercially useful DRAM process.

▲layer8 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Memory fabs are quite different from logic chip fabs.

▲Grombobulous an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Panther Lake shows they’ve still “got it.”

Intel ARC is not only impressive just for the mere feat of “almost catching up” this quickly, but Intel absolutely can be an AI GPU supplier of note.

I don’t claim to fully understand the business especially on the enterprise side but I don’t think it’s the sort of company to count out.

▲blueaquilae 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Intel bring the knowledge but doesn't operate and it's not the only partners in talk. They are not tied into the production at any step beyond the blueprints.

▲wonnage 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Knowing them they'll have all this stuff online just as the AI bubble pops. Basically the same thing they did when they belatedly tried to get into mobile chips