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▲ l9o 5 hours ago

I think the "taught qwen math" part is not exactly correct though, even if the post makes it sound like that. Qwen already knew math, but it was bugging out and getting into an infinite loop when it tried to solve the problems (85 of its first 96 answers hit the token limit). With numpy and pytorch, Astra found where the loop was happening and fixed it.

They also tried the same with Gemma 3 270M, which doesn't loop and is just bad at math, and Astra couldn't improve it. Still impressive, but it's more in the realm of what I'd expect, given labs are probably training their models on ML research and interpretability work.

▲ch_sm 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I agree, this is important context. They call it out explicitly. However, even identifying clusters that specialize in certain fields automatically and then finding and fixing learning “errors” is incredibly impressive to me. Especially for medium sized local models between 20B an 70B parameters, this could yield huge capability and efficiency improvements, not to speak of the potentially enormous downstream effects that come with interpretability.

▲honkostani an hour ago | parent | next [-]

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▲0xjosephx10 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲ahartmetz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So it's like a model debugger?

Model psychiatrist is also fun, but probably less appropriate.

▲vessenes 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good points - I’m still shook

▲l9o 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Oh for sure, it's still really cool. A few months ago I had agents do some interpretability work on GPT-2 small, reproducing the circular weekday/month features from Engels et al., and it's wild how far you can get with just a bit of prompting, given I know very little about LLM internals myself.

▲spying_lg_tv 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲pama 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In fact qwen knows much better math than their final fixed model. The nonthinking qwen 0.6B parameter model had 55.2% correct on math-500 vs their final improved 48.1% fixed-reasoning model, both with a 32k context window. The original qwen reasoning model had 77.6% accuracy on same test, though qwen recommends using a much larger context for these benchmarks. I wonder if their broken baseline run with 7.9% accuracy is a vllm or setup bug, but didnt dig into it any deeper.

Cool work anyways.

▲StilesCrisis 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

Qwen in reasoning mode is ridiculously anxious and ends up going in circles. It's not just math, it's how it behaves in general.

Others have also fine-tuned Qwen to shake this behavior already, so it's honestly not entirely shocking that Astra could too, but I think this is the first time it was done "by hand" and not via fine-tune.

▲btown 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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