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▲ zamadatix 5 hours ago

It seems there are lots of cases across the board where "women adopt traditionally male thing" has become the norm in this timeframe but not many where "men adopt traditionally female thing" at quite the same rate or scale.

▲wredcoll 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think there's something to this, but also you've got to think about the cultural standards where "female" is considered "abnormal".

e.g. you have "toys" and "girl toys". "clothes" and "girl clothes" and such. It's not everywhere or everything but there is a trend.

▲smelendez 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, a woman wearing pants to an office job became totally normal. A man wearing a dress or skirt would be assumed to be transitioning gender or wearing a costume.

▲setopt 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Women used to be arrested for wearing pants many places, and still kept doing it until it was normal and legal. I don’t think straight men had the same motivation to push for the right to wear skirts; if they did that would be normal too.

▲GolfPopper an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Women in Paris were only legally allowed to wear pants in 2013.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-21329269

▲senderista 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

There are lots of ridiculous unenforced laws like that; it doesn't tell you much.

▲graemep an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Straight men wear "kilts" or "sarongs". If you think either is not entirely and unarguably straight and male I would invite you to repeat your views in certain places....

▲mc32 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Quite rare, but there is the occasional Scotts-descendant who wears a kilt to work --on occasion--. They are not skirts but they are similar in the way that a blouse is not a shirt but is very similar.

▲graemep an hour ago | parent [-]

Lots of actual Scots where kilts for formal occasions. The current King of Scots sometimes does too.

▲koyote an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Which really reveals how far we still have to go as a society when trivial things such as the above are taboo.

▲rightnutwingjob 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲ratmice 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Or bag piper

▲pamcake 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And then we have skincare products and wellness.

▲rightnutwingjob 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> also you've got to think about

We really don’t.

And shouldn’t.

▲idiotsecant 3 hours ago | parent [-]

close one, you almost had to think about something there.

▲boringg 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That is the pattern. Rarely would you have a baby boy using a women's name. Broadly speaking there is a general stigma within society going the other direction then women adopting male things.

▲sandworm101 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Marion Morrison was a definitive male role model.

▲dmurray an hour ago | parent [-]

Is he related to Marilyn Manson or Alice Cooper?

▲sandworm101 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

Distantly. The all wore makeup at work.

▲dfxm12 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A baby does not "adopt" their name, though. It is given to them.