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▲ Napping characteristics and incident dementia(academic.oup.com)
32 points by bookofjoe 4 hours ago | 22 comments
▲thisisauserid 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Unintentional napping was associated with possible/probable dementia.

Intentional napping was not.

One could easily reverse cause and effect here.

▲causal 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah I feel like the results could be stated more clearly. At any rate this doesn't seem to associate risk with any chosen behavior.

▲kirth_gersen 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It seems to me that perhaps the data better supports that dementia is correlated with unintentional and short naps. This makes it sound like they think it is causal, which I doubt.

▲ahartmetz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Easily. I'm 80% sure that they did reverse cause and effect.

▲tyrabound 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, ironically they even admit possible reverse causal effect along with many other causal variables. Frankly, this is not exactly stellar research in my view, at least with the rather reckless insinuations not supported.

▲outworlder an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"unintentional napping"

I used to 'unintentionally nap' all the time since I was a teen.

Then I discovered I had sleep apnea. No more napping. And dementia has been linked to sleep apnea.

I wonder if this study is missing some quite big issues here.

▲keybrd-intrrpt 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

> I wonder if this study is missing some quite big issues here.

Definitely seems like a possible "correlation is not causation".

I would find it hard to believe that sleep is somehow biologically harmful.

So, like your example, excessive or unintentionally napping is instead a sign of an underlying issue or poor health. Possibly the body trying to sleep to repair some damage?

▲sapientiae3 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I feel like “unintentional napping” should not be called napping…

Napping for me means intentionally having a short sleep. I don’t know what unintentional napping is.

▲tartoran 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

I wonder what unitentional napping means as well. I assume it's for example watching TV/reading a book on the sofa and falling asleep as opposed to wanting to fall asleep with a book or while watching TV.

▲reedf1 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am a frequent intentional napper (< 30 minutes). Am I right in reading that I am at baseline risk?

▲gwbas1c 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think we need to understand what intentional vs unintentional napping is.

▲Carrok 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Is this not clear from the term?

"I'm going to go take a nap in bed."

vs

"I fell asleep in a chair."

▲gwbas1c an hour ago | parent | next [-]

No, we need to know how the study defined them, not how you interpret them.

In medicine, sometimes semantics are more important than you think.

▲keybrd-intrrpt 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

It did?

> Among nappers, we further defined napping intention based on the question “In general, were these naps planned, or did you fall asleep without meaning to?” Nappers who answered “naps planned” were classified as intentional nappers, and those who answered “fell asleep without meaning to” or “both (some planned/some not)” were classified as unintentional nappers.

▲readthenotes1 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Yet I intentionally nap in the chair when I become overcome with lassitude

▲IncreasePosts an hour ago | parent [-]

Where do you nap when overcome with langour or ennui?

▲thisisauserid 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

See what I mean?

▲falsemyrmidon 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd guess this goes back to not getting enough healthy sleep, which is a reason people nap.

▲readthenotes1 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Except intentional napping, which could be "yawn, I slept bad last night; I'm gonna go take a nap" is not a risk.

▲cestith 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

Poor sleep when intended could also be a reason for falling asleep without planning to do so.

▲tt24 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sleep apnea.

▲pengaru an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

disclaimer: I didn't read TFA

drive-by comment: unintentional napping seems likely to occur more in those failing to get actual restful sleep on the regular. Don't we already know chronic sleep deprivation correlates with dementia/alzheimers risk?