| ▲ | sleepyguy 5 hours ago |
| There are H1B armies of regular people, doing regular jobs, that require no critical skills, making decent wages, at the cost of the American worker/Graduate. Thank your Gov for allowing corporations to fill their ranks with slave labor. It all starts with a particular kind of CEO, CIO/CTO and it guts the technology department of American employees. |
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| ▲ | serioussecurity 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Always the weak blame the immigrants and then vote for the robber barons against their own interests. |
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| ▲ | rayiner 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There is nothing "weak" about standing up for your own economic interests. The H1B program has largely been based on a fiction--using a handful of superstars as marketing cover for tens of thousands of mid-skill developers. But with AI now coming for everyone's job the pretext of a "skills shortage" is unsustainable. | | |
| ▲ | teiferer 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Mid-skill developers? It's now become common to just contract out dev work to folks in Eastern Europe, for example. There are exceptional people there. And it's now really hard to get them to the U.S. so instead of having them pay taxes in the U.S. and spend their wages in the U.S. and maybe found their own startups and thereby grow the U.S. economy, they just do all that in their home country. All that immigrant hate is so short sighted, it's hard to believe that you think that's actually in your own interest. Both common sense and history disagree with you. (Though I admit that xenophobia has evolved in ancient human societies for good reasons. No reason to not realize it's bad though, not just morally but economically too. Very suitable for populism though, clearly.) | | |
| ▲ | rayiner 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Immigration implicates economic and cultural issues, trying to reframe them as being about "hate" or "fear" is misdirection. When you see second and third generation immigrants waving foreign flags in western countries, you should realize that, even if you don't believe in nationalism, the immigrants themselves often do. Similarly, dismissing the concerns as "short sighted" is just ignorant of history. Plato was thinking about the challenges of reconciling immigration with democracy 2,000 years ago. Alexander Hamilton presaged the destabilizing effects of immigration on democracy at the inception of the U.S. https://www.iwp.edu/articles/2016/12/21/hamiltons-actual-vie... |
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| ▲ | kraken_cult 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't think that's what's happening here. It's pretty clear importing thousands (10s of thousands?) people into an area has an effect on the local residents that's not good. | |
| ▲ | sleepyguy 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | These aren't immigrants. | | |
| ▲ | bravoetch 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think that's their point - the subjects of the article should be working instead of hiking. But someone with an H1B visa, yet lacking any special skills, has a job instead of them. I don't agree with their premise, just restating it. |
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| ▲ | rithdmc 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > making decent wages ... slave labor |
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| ▲ | Arainach 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Wages aren't the primary determination of slave labor, it's control. I suppose "indentured servant" would be even better, but there are an enormous number of restrictions on H1B holders in how they move (both between employers and countries). (I don't love this analogy and consider it extreme and not overly accurate) | | |
| ▲ | rithdmc 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why do we need an abysmal analogy when "H1B holder" describes it well enough? | | |
| ▲ | pessimizer 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Do you not understand that analogies are used for people who don't understand what H1B holders are, or what the user of the analogy thinks of them? | | |
| ▲ | rithdmc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I doubt you'll find many HN users who don't know what a H1B visa is. That's regardless of my opinion that comparing H1B holders to slaves or indentured servants is a bad analogy. |
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| ▲ | Bluescreenbuddy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If they can't do that then they just offshore it. The big tech firms are increasing their presence and offices in other countries for cheaper labor. |
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| ▲ | joshheitzman 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They've been offshoring as much as they can for decades. The H1-B program hasn't stopped it and if it were eliminated there wouldn't be a huge surge in offshoring. Many companies have already hit the limit on offshoring and had to pull things back onshore. | |
| ▲ | Buttons840 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Then let them. If they want to offshore, let them have the associated pros and cons, and free up real estate that American workers can use to start competitors. | |
| ▲ | Longlius 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Offshored workers don't compete with me for food, housing, education, etc. | |
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| ▲ | expedition32 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You're competing with 2 billion Asians. We're never going back to the 1950s no matter now much people cry about it. |
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| ▲ | niam 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is the pie so fixed? How many "regular" positions would be lost in a counterfactual world with less domestic demand? |
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| ▲ | h1bslop 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| americans are not supposed to work, they are supposed to join the military and free up space |
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| ▲ | mikert89 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s so weird how this is getting downvoted. It’s obviously true for anyone with two eyes |
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| ▲ | sleepyguy 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | They just have to go to any large corporate campus and take a good look. I know of a particular one in TX where 90% of the IT employees are of one particular nationality and at least 90 % of that group do not have any kind of permanent status in the USA. I am not talking about 100-200 employees, I'm talking about 1000 plus. | | |
| ▲ | mikert89 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Clearly a lot of people benefit from this situation, which is why you can’t speak about it publicly | |
| ▲ | bravoetch 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's a wild claim. 1000 non-status immigrant IT employees at one Texas company? Name it, it'll be global headlines if true. | | | |
| ▲ | mbgerring 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you want to come here and be racist, stop being a coward and say it with your whole chest instead of hiding behind “one particular nationality” |
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| ▲ | bdhe 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What kind of CEO, CIO/CTO? |
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| ▲ | MrBuddyCasino 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | The kind that has a strong in-group bias and likes to hire from his own ethnicity, gradually taking over departments. | | |
| ▲ | bdhe an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | There's such a kind? Got some data (not anecdotes) to support this? | |
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| ▲ | teiferer 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > at the cost of the American worker/Graduate The old myth of "immigrants are taking our jobs". The American economy (and all western countries) would be substantially weaker without all those immigrants, highly skilled or not. Without them, the agricultural sector would collapse, the health care system would barely hang by a thread, and next time you go use a toilet at your companies office or a random shopping mall, try to find out who cleans it regularly (hint: that person is most certainly not born in your country nor highly educated). Immigrants grow the economy, if anything. They make your life better. That I even have to read this nonsense in a place with so smart and highly educated people as HN makes me pretty sad. |
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| ▲ | add-sub-mul-div 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Immigants! I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them!" |
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| ▲ | hashmap 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Thats not what the issue is, it's that they aren't free to job-hop in the way that other people are. H1B keeps their wages artificially depressed and they have a sword of damocles over their heads threatening deportation. | | | |
| ▲ | luckydata an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w34793/w347... | |
| ▲ | Spivak 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Random refugees coming into the country "takin my jerb" isn't happening. Large companies importing skilled labor for specific positions to either drive down sector wages or acquire workers who are more willing to put up with bad working conditions (this is nursing right now) is a different beast. |
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| ▲ | anovikov 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Trump already charges $100K in taxes for each. Is this not enough? |
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