| ▲ | reissbaker an hour ago |
| That's only if you consider security to be unproductive! If you consider it to be productive work, it's a massive productivity boon happening right now. Of course, product managers might disagree... |
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| ▲ | vbezhenar 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| Security work is not productive. Imagine that the whole city has to install iron doors and window grilles, because wooden doors and glass windows are not safe enough anymore. That's a lot of work, but is it productive in the end? Probably not. With AI it's the same. World was fine with lax security approach before. Today it is not fine. Tomorrow we might need to prove every code line before shipping, will that be more productive? Hell, no. |
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| ▲ | Gigachad 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The physical world comparison is interesting. In the real world we have a small amount of security, but most things could be broken in to. Instead of fortifying everything, we just imprison the people breaking stuff. Obviously this doesn't work on the internet since most hacking comes from overseas out of our control. Which makes me wonder if there is a possible future where we just block packets coming from countries that don't lock up the hackers. | |
| ▲ | idiotsecant 11 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | In the rest of the world making sure your product works like it is supposed to is considered table stakes. In software we somehow consider checking the parts of it we can think of 'good enough' and the rest unproductive |
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| ▲ | astral_drama 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When I had a brilliant stop on defense, a few savvy fans would appreciate it. When I scored goals, everyone knew. Some people will much appreciate the holes in Postgres that are being plugged. Many more will be bored with patch releases until new features rollout. A software affecianado appreciates patches, and might do well to teach laypeople the benefits of a good defense. |
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| ▲ | OccamsMirror an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| How many of the security issues found were created by LLMs in the first place, though? |
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| ▲ | plorkyeran 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | My job is seeing a similar deluge of security work and >90% of the bugs have been in pre-2024 code, and zero of them have been bugs introduced after we were first officially allowed to use LLM codegen. | |
| ▲ | ecshafer 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Software is incredibly complicated. When you get into areas like security and networking and the internet its even more complicated. We rely on layers upon layers of software and hoping they are all done perfectly with no issues. The amount of junior devs, or outsourced devs for $10 an hour working on security relevant code is very very high, and always has been. LLMs if used correctly should be raising the floor. | |
| ▲ | drfloyd51 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Considering the software is much older than LLMs. Not many. Also, in the article they mention a significant number of patches for older versions as well. | |
| ▲ | idiotsecant 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | An uncomfortable truth about the era of LLM code is that machine produced code is, on average, quite a bit more secure than human code. | |
| ▲ | adwn 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do you mean "created" as in LLMs were used to discover existing vulnerabilities, or as in LLMs wrote unsecure code? If it's the latter, then the answer probably is "very few". Frontier models have been better than the average programmer at writing secure code that follows up-to-date best-practices for some time now. |
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