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▲ youoy a day ago

Because the other option is that AI does what you say. And if you think about it (and you are a mathematitian and not an engineer) it means that AI is able to read our minds and know our desires. And at that point who cares about existence anymore?

▲senordevnyc a day ago | parent [-]

Sorry, why would it need to read our minds exactly?

▲youoy a day ago | parent [-]

"Choosing which terrain is worth exploring" is more clear if you have an objective function (if you are doing engineering). But mathematics is closer to art in that regard. What is a terrain worth exploring in art?

▲derektank a day ago | parent | next [-]

>What is a terrain worth exploring in art?

The joys of parenthood. The excitement of new love. The tragedy of aging. The rise and fall of a great family. Jealousy, vengeance, embarrassment, righteousness, venality. You obviously couldn’t create an all encompassing map of the terrain, but human art has a lot of recurring themes that are clearly “worth exploring” because they’ve consistently been explored in the past. I think the same kind of repetition probably also exists to some degree in other areas of human endeavor. An artificial intelligence could probably suss out a lot of those themes and produce valuable (if not maximally valuable) work without being a mind reader.

▲youoy 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Im not saying it cant do those things. The mathematical equivalent of that are the hundred proofs that OpenAI dumped. And probably we still have a few decades of AI exploiting low hanging fruit in Maths and Art.

I was refering to going beyond and deciding what to explore. There are infinite paths in mathematics and a lot of ways you can describe and denote a particular theory. And the choice of notation and exposition is an art in some way.

You could probably say that "no, but this is done by minimizing memory usage in human brains so that its understandable by humans, maximizing compressability of previous ideas, and a link with some utility in the real world, etc"

But that just one example of loss function. There are many possible ones.

Do i think that there is a universal loss function that captures it all? Probably yes, in the limit, on the infinite energy regime. Are we in that case in practice? Probably not.

I tend to think that AI will fully replace us the same moment we are able to master prime factorization with our time and energy constraints.

▲deklesen a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Sometimes I wonder if "art" is also just some form of pattern matching on a very meta level.

▲freecodeio 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Art is the ability to transform one experience into another. That's a generalization only RSI can hopefully come up with.

▲nsomaru 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In some sense, any art can’t be random in order to be distinguishable from noise