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▲ cloudbonsai 2 hours ago

This is correct. Out of the $80.7B loss, $72.4B was due to changes in the fair value of their convertible notes (and similar financial arrangements).

Going a bit meta, I'm curious why we don't observe a faster convergence of opinions here. I assume that HN users are well-versed in AI tech, and the current generation of LLMs will happily break down the relevant information in Form S-1. Nevertheless, we see a chaotic storm of opinions, with wildly varying S/N ratios.

Is it a limit of current LLMs, or is the bottleneck perhaps human nature?

▲steveBK123 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes but those convertible notes only exist to grant them access to compute they would otherwise need to pay fair market value for.

If I drive a taxi making $200/day and need $150/day of gas.. but convince Shell to take a convertible note instead of $150.. Do I make a) $200/day profit, b) $50/day profit, or c) $200/day - (change_in_value[convertible_note]) in profit?

Some are arguing that C is somehow fake, but its obviously more real than A!

▲barrkel an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People are emotionally invested in a deflation and slowdown in AI because they feel threatened by AI. They'll cling to reeds of hope and wilfully misread financial stats to make themselves feel better.

▲solyin 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Human nature. Obviously we know some things are just true. It's common sense! Why would I invite a non-deterministic hallucination machine that can't think to challenge my world view with something inconvenient like facts?