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▲ Buttons840 5 hours ago

I'd feel a lot better if I knew some red team security researchers were going hard trying to break into critical national infrastructure, just to ensure it's not too easy, but probably this isn't happening because it would be a felony to even try. The bad guys are free to try though.

All this will tend to get blamed on AI, but AI didn't put these vulnerabilities into place. AI is just a tool that can be used to discover vulnerabilities, and the only question we have to answer is whether or not that tool should be available to regular people.

Some will try to frame the question as being about whether we should allow AI aid in cyber-security, but that's not the question. This technology isn't going away. The bad guys will have it. Nations will have it. Again, the question is, can regular people also continue to have it?

▲parable 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As someone who has helped to secure critical national infrastructure several years ago, I can say that it was a mess to disclose the vulnerabilities I identified, and in some cases it took years to patch them. Some of these vulnerabilities were RCEs and mass PII leaks. It's simply not worth the risk for most people - who aren't in the USA - to bother doing this sort of security research. However, if you are in the USA, there are provisions in the CFAA that enable good-faith security research to take place (https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/department-justice-a...), so to the best of my understanding, you're able to do good-faith research without being charged or prosecuted, and you should take advantage of this if you have the skills or models to do so. I am not based in the USA, and there are no laws in my country that guarantee me zero jail time for simply trying to do the right thing, so I am not incentivized to continue finding vulnerabilities in my country's infrastructure.

Edit: If other countries don't catch up and include similar provisions in their laws, they'll simply fall behind and put their citizens at risk. I'm sure every country has individuals willing to help that currently feel unsafe - look at the large amount of bug bounty hunters worldwide who, I'm sure, wouldn't mind practicing their skills by securing their country's infrastructure.

▲cpa 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is absolutely happening, paid by your taxpayer dollars (if you’re American).

Most major countries have this kind of programs. Those could probably be bigger and they will always miss obvious stuff but they exist, at least for CNI.

▲mike_d 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I'd feel a lot better if I knew some red team security researchers were going hard trying to break into critical national infrastructure

They are. Most critical infrastructure providers worldwide have in house or contract red teams. Every western government has an agency dedicated to cyber defense and they all have red team programs.

▲Melatonic 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't worry - Siri is on it - that's actually why they've been so lacklustre. Just too busy hacking for the good guys

▲aslilac 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

imagine if we just turned off 90% of the non-critical internet for two weeks, hardened up in an absolute mad dash where everyone has access to top tier cyber models, and then afterwards we go back to business as usual. it’d be a disaster short-term but long-term would it be worse than the years of slow drip we’re about to go through? idk! I kinda think it’d be interesting to find out!

▲AlecSchueler 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Imagine if everyone had just stayed at home for a week in 2020.

▲jtolmar 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It'd take more than a week, but even now, if the whole world coordinated a simultaneous quarantine, we'd eliminate covid, the flu, the common cold, and a thousand nameless respiratory cruds.

▲yfontana 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

No we wouldn't, most of those viruses infect other animals as well, and would just start reinfecting humans.

▲mmwelt 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Everyone would be very difficult. You'd still need some people to make sure essential services are still functioning, and that still involves quite a large number of people.

▲fyredge 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That was my first thought as well. With COVID, we recognised that WFH was viable for white collar work. Perhaps a global 2 week cleanse will allow everyone to re-evaluate life priorities outside of the internet.

I see hope in what happened during the blackout in Spain/Portugal.

▲mentalgear 3 hours ago | parent [-]

what happened there ?

▲fyredge an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Sorry about that, you can see this for reference: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70zg3e5ej2o

But essentially, with the power down, people came out as a community and life went on without technology. Granted, the power came back within a day, but I have confidence that they would have found a way.

▲okeuro49 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

Don't you think it is odd that the BBC led with this feature, for what would have been a critical failure of infrastructure for a Western nation?

Losing electricity causes significant disruption, emergency generators have to turn on for hospitals, the transport system stops.

The BBC is not what it once was, so assume it is no better than any other outlet in wanting to create a narrative.

The actual reality on the ground for many people would have been far from the whimsical event the BBC portrays.

▲fyredge 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

I was not under the impression that it was a feature. I just googled the blackout and copied the first link to provide context. Could be a Spanish blog for all I care.

Emergency blackouts are a disruption for sure and I believe people were injured in that event, but the lesson I took from it is that nothing is more reliable than community. Technology comes and goes, but we will always have each other.

▲bertylicious 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think they are referring to the reports of people suddenly meeting on the streets and hanging out together back then.

▲fodkodrasz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nothing, I guess, and that is a good thing, I guess: the world didn't even by a day (few days?) without electricity.

▲AspireOne 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Regular people are often bad guys too, you know. If the reality was "bad guys will have it. Should regular people too?" The entire core dilemma would be entirely eliminated lol.