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▲ gradus_ad 3 hours ago

Crypto enthusiasts misunderstand what a financial system/financial architecture is. It is not the fiat currencies themselves, but rather the power architecture that controls and oversees value and exchange in whatever form it takes. Crypto has been entirely subsumed into this architecture through the exchanges which are obviously beholden to the holders of real power, i.e. governments.

This is to say, the stated goal and the target of the crypto enthusiasts are misaligned. To transcend the institutions represented by the fiat system requires far more than creating some alternative "currency", rather it requires creating an entirely new power structure.

▲TheOtherHobbes an hour ago | parent | next [-]

As soon as you have an entirely new power structure you have a new government.

Different people may be on top, with different aims (...arguable, but let's pretend.)

But there will always be a government of some sort making the big decisions for the benefit of its ruling clique.

▲Muromec an hour ago | parent | next [-]

>But there will always be a government of some sort making the big decisions for the benefit of its ruling clique

That depends on how much resources said government can extract from the environment. Either by taking or by providing value in exchange.

One can imagine a level of technological advancement that makes violence impossible and trade unnecessary. Poof, no government.

▲gradus_ad 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Indeed. That's the point. We can't sidestep human control via technical means.

▲bravoetch 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This seems like pure projection on your part.

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▲NooneAtAll5 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

and any attempt to avoid government oversight simply hits a wall of being illegal

see monero getting outlawed by EU countries

▲Muromec 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

If you perfectly evade government oversight being illegal doesn't matter much.

It's a weird idea of being physically present in the jurisdiction and not being subject to it's laws which kinda doesn't survive reality.

▲jMyles an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Who are these "crypto enthusiasts" who, in 2026, have a "stated goal" of "some alternative 'currency'"?

Look at the schedule of any crypto conference - ethereum events in particular, but others as well - and you will find that your critique has already been widely adopted. The discussion is around replacing power structures and sources of injustice, not merely 'currency'.

I was reluctant to get involved in blockchain tech because I don't care for currency and don't view it as a likely organizing principle for humans for the next thousand years. That was in like 2016.

Today, nearly every blockchain project attempts to overcome challenges other than currency.

▲gradus_ad 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

Are they really attempting to replace the power structures I'm talking about? Are their methods sufficiently ambitious?

If not they're fooling themselves same as those focused on currency replacement.

▲gigatexal 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would anyone trust CZ with their digital crime tokens?

▲imguienjoyer 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

multisig escrow + privacy will bring this new power structure

▲Arainach 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The challenge is not a technical one, and cannot be solved with technology.

▲Muromec 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

That's a meme lizard people implanted into the conversation so you don't try hard enough.

▲malux85 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, it wont, because you just made the same mistake they talked about. You assumed that its a currency implementation detail and not a power structure thats holding it back.

▲gradus_ad 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Good luck

▲imguienjoyer 2 hours ago | parent [-]

good luck too