| ▲ | Refreeze5224 13 hours ago |
| As much as I dislike AI, having worked on Cisco gear for years, I can't imagine AI can put out a worse product. If the re-write is full of bugs and security holes and static SSH keys, then it has not changed at all. |
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| ▲ | tw04 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| You don’t have very good imagination then. Cisco code is such a mess that there’s basically 0 chance he can even make a harness in 24 months, much less rewrite production code. |
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| ▲ | literalAardvark an hour ago | parent [-] | | It'll be done in 6 months with a cots harness. Being a mess isn't a problem when you have more than 6 items context. |
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| ▲ | Aperocky 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The problem with rewrites are that even if the rewrites are ultimately good it will tend to first create bugs on an existing thing that are presently churning in a stable state. |
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| ▲ | icedchai 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's sad to hear how Cisco has fallen. I remember working on some early ISP networks in the 90's. Cisco was everywhere! |
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| ▲ | hnlmorg 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So was Oracle and Microsoft Windows. If history has taught us anything. It’s that the measure of a successful product is usually more to do with its sales people. | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Or perhaps the lack thereof if you are one of the unsuccessful companies. In the 90s, I worked for a company that competed with Cisco I worked for a company that competed with Cisco. story was in the mid 80s an executive went to Silicon Valley. His report was that Cisco was a bunch of nobodies that would never go anywhere, which they'd go down the street and buy Vitalink instead. You have heard of Cisco and not Vitalink for a reason. |
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| ▲ | bigfatkitten 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Back then they only really did routing and switching, and those are still the only things that Cisco kind-of does well. Almost every new product of theirs I’ve touched in the last 20 years has been trash, and even the R&S golden goose is being dragged in that direction with customer-hostile functionality like Smart Licensing and a general decline in quality. | |
| ▲ | benjojo12 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Just because something is/was widely deployed does not mean it was good | | |
| ▲ | runjake 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It doesn't, but Cisco was great and they've just evolved into a laughing stock. Their stuff is really bad these days. And they've overstretched their product line to too many things, trying to be the "be all" company. Fortinet is making the same mistake, but they're earlier in that process. I mean, it's not really a mistake on their parts, their primary goal is to get rich and they are succeeding. Citation: I've been working with Cisco technologies since the mid-1990s. At my current job, we are a few weeks away from phasing out the last of our Cisco junk. And since people will ask: to Juniper/Mist and Arista. | | | |
| ▲ | icedchai 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | True. There were few (no other?) options for routers back then. I have fond memories of locking myself out of an ISP's core router then having to power cycle it. | | |
| ▲ | bombcar 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I remember routers being Very Expensive and so realizing you could route 10mb/s with an old Pc and some 3com cards and BSD was a big deal. | | |
| ▲ | smackeyacky 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Funnily enough that isn’t too far from where Cisco themselves started. When they started making smallish dedicated routers I remember opening one to see a dodgy backplane and a number of big boards plugged in held up only by minimal slides. The minute it got hot (which it did because no air management) those boards sagged in the middle and it just looked slapdash. The 3Com equivalents were always better built but Cisco had such mindshare it didn’t matter the products were a bit crap | |
| ▲ | icedchai 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yep! I remember one of the ISPs I worked for paying like $15K for a Cisco 4500 router with 8 synchronous serial ports and a couple of 10 megabit ethernets. We'd laugh at the sorta bandwidth today. We had a bunch of T1s and a couple of Ascend boxes off of the ethernet. |
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| ▲ | kotaKat 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| They didn't even need the AI to make thousands of hot bricks nationwide. Here's just one of the latest hits... https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/field-notices/743... "Cisco Access Points That Are Running, Or Have Run, Releases 17.12.4, 17.12.5, 17.12.6, or 17.12.6a May Exhaust Flash Space, Preventing Upgrades" Recovery path basically involves either factory resetting every single AP or up to, if it's already bricked, Cisco TAC + you having to console into every single bricked AP you have to pass a secret challenge/response at the bootloader to flash a recovery image :) |
