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▲ chis a day ago

It seems really, really obvious to me that phones are bad for learning, mental health, social connection, etc. But nobody has been able to prove this in any studies, even in ones outside of the school environment. At some point I think we just have to do school phone bans regardless of the science.

▲dns_snek 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> But nobody has been able to prove this in any studies, even in ones outside of the school environment.

What do you mean? Here's one published last year:

> This study does not provide evidence to support the use of school policies that prohibit phone use during the school day in their current form, given that no differences were observed in mental, physical, and academic outcomes for adolescents attending schools that permit, versus restrict phone use. However, the negative associations found between increasing time spent on phones/social media and worsened mental health and wellbeing do provide evidence on the need to address phone and social media use in adolescents, and school policies should be developed as part a more holistic approach. [...]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7...

▲thelaxiankey a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This happens a lot in social sciences; more than once I've gotten my intuition "disproven" by a study only for that study itself to later be proven wrong.

However this study in particular is pretty bad, see the comment elsewhere about the screentime not spent not going down (possibly cause of extant classroom bans)

▲karahime a day ago | parent | prev [-]

What seems blatantly obvious does not always represent the underlying reality. This can also be taken as a chance to discover better solutions to a given problem than banning phones.

▲thelaxiankey a day ago | parent | next [-]

On the flip side, when measurements don't reveal something that is completely obvious, especially in social sciences, it is very possible the measurement is measuring the wrong thing.

In this case the prevailing theory is that the phones were already banned in classes, so the schoolwide ban didn't do anything to screentime. Which, duh.

▲chis 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's possible that the justification for phone bans could be along moral lines instead of data-driven. Think of how we regulate teenage sex for instance, those rules aren't based on "data" just common sense and social morals.

▲dwaltrip a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why does everyone think we use our phones too much? Are we all wrong?

I’m a strong supporter of following the science. But this is a hard thing to measure. And the effects may be fairly diffuse or accumulate over time.

▲Personability 16 hours ago | parent [-]

'Too much' for what?

In order to quantify whether something is too much, you need to quantify what an optimal or better baseline would be.

▲ThrowawayTestr a day ago | parent | prev [-]

What about even more phones? Keep the kids hooked up to a constant drip of tiktok 24/7