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▲ skissane 3 hours ago

The big problem with these permission dialogs, is their lack of technical detail about what the app is actually trying to do which triggers them.

How do I know whether to say "Allow" or "Disallow" when it gives me no idea what either option actually means in concrete?

▲joshuat 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This also happened on iOS when they began to prompt users before apps could access the clipboard. I built an app that would handle the inbound redirect automatically if you had a relevant URL in your clipboard - did this for years with many users happy with the feature.

Then it started prompting users before allowing them to paste, and then the claims of privacy violations began to come in.

If instead I were able to specify what was happening in the prompt rather than iOS giving users an ambiguous statement, or even provide a detection pattern, it wouldn't have been nearly as bad.

I feel like this really harms security and privacy awareness by flooding the field with unimportant prompts/warnings to the degree that a real issue is similarly ignored because it is assumed to just be noise.

▲dd8601fn an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> If instead I were able to specify what was happening in the prompt rather than iOS giving users an ambiguous statement

No. They’re correct, there.

The app developer should not get to provide the message text for a prompt like that.

A secondary note somewhere in less than ten words, maybe, where it explicitly warns that the statement may be false.

▲i386 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

This is the correct answer.

▲ryandrake 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the visibility of these dialogs serves as a warning to the user--but they should do a better job directing the user's attention to where the threat is. If the user is getting annoyed at all these pop-ups, he should direct this annoyance at the developer who is (in all likelihood) asking for access to more of the user's computer than he needs.

The fact that there are so many popups should mean apps are reaching for access to your system way beyond what they should be. It shouldn't mean Apple needs to get rid of the pop-ups.

▲mook an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I get the pop-up semi-frequently from Chrome. I don't think complaining to Google has ever helped with anything; but then it's not like complaining to Apple has a better track record.

Yes, I don't know why the OS isn't tracking the pop-up by bundle id or anything. It's not like I changed my mind the last dozen times…

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▲johncassil an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Regardless, apple should definitely not send popups unless an app is being engaged with.

▲internet2000 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Counterpoint: do not read my clipboard without any action on my side, dude!

▲OptionOfT 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, usually the answer is no, and then when something breaks the app will tell me.

Which reminds me. Why does the CVS app need access to Bluetooth?

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▲kotaKat 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Oh! There's actually good reason!

If you have an Extracare card, in some markets, you can self-unlock the locked display cabinets with the CVS app (because they have your identity via the ExtraCare card which adds inherent trust).

It's powered by the Invue smartlock platform. https://invue.com/smart-locks

https://abc7ny.com/post/cvs-testing-new-nyc-shoppers-open-ca...

▲ButlerianJihad 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah, are you telling us that while people were outraged about rampant theft and pointing to all the locked-up merchandise as emblematic of the corporate response to rampant theft, even while there wasn't enough staff to unlock the cabinets... but the lockups are also a way to entice customers to install the app, sign up for an account, and enable Bluetooth all the time?

https://youtu.be/zS9U3Gc832Y?si=BmVOHE6ahKLbw82c

▲mjdiloreto 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Are you telling us we're being increasingly policed by technology?

Yes! This is part of the Flockification of everything.

▲kotaKat 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean, I didn't go to the worse version. Step right up to the little display, enter your phone number, smile for the camera, and the case unlocks magically!

https://indyme.com/solutions/freedom-case

The CV footage just adds that extra comfortable feeling, doesn't it?

https://indyme.com/hubfs/E6A61CF7-E252-4994-91E1-0FC0E88781F...

It's "freedom" for "honest shoppers"!

▲gs17 an hour ago | parent [-]

Even better, they have a model called the "Freedom Cage"!