Yep and it's the same for Meta's "open" models which you omitted from the list.

Is there actually a competitive proper actually open model?

maxloh an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I believe Meta's models were never truly frontier in the way Qwen, Kimi, etc., compare to Claude or ChatGPT.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Inkling, Nemotron Super, Beam Reflection (and of course Kimi, Qwen, etc)

> (and of course Kimi, Qwen, etc)

Latest versions of Kimi, Qwen, GLM aren't open, you need to pay them for commercial stuff and comply with PRC laws

	▲	crimsoneer 33 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Oh, I'd missed this, that's a shame! But yeah, Inkling + Reflection are properly open and quite good.

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