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| ▲ | qt31415926 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I'm surprised no one at Google realized that both OpenAI and Anthropic's naming schemes follow a fairly clear progression and that they should do something similar to reduce confusion. I would have assumed the opposite given that Argon has a higher periodic number |
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| ▲ | kylestanfield 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Lots of commenters here are confused by Luna, Terra, and Sol still haha. | | |
| ▲ | Jtarii 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It isn't obvious that a fable is "better" than an opus either. | | |
| ▲ | cubefox 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Originally the model tier that was better than Opus was called Mythos, which makes sense. Fable makes no sense, since a fable is just a small story with animals. They should have used "Legend" rather than Fable. |
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| ▲ | johanyc 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's on them imo. The point is consistency |
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| ▲ | vividfrier 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | atakanaluc 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Both seem to have the same pricing: $2 in / $10 out initially, rising to $4 in / $20 out after the introductory period. That made me wonder whether Carbon might be Argon with additional RL training. What’s the Opus/Sonnet comparison based on? |
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| ▲ | owkman 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No, it's not. The naming is just bad. It's the next iteration of Argon |
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| ▲ | hiddencost 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't think that's right. Carbon and Argon have the same price. I suspect they're using a new naming convention because they had previous contractual obligations tied to the "pro" and "flash" naming, and by switching to a new naming schema they avoid those commitments. |
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| ▲ | bsiverly 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Helium will be small and squeaky I presume |
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| ▲ | luckydata 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Carbon is Fable / Astra level. Argon is their Opus / Sol. |
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| ▲ | aslilac 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | then why are both priced like sonnet? | | |
| ▲ | luckydata an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Carbon is discounted temporarily. It's twice as expensive as Argon. Google TPUs are more efficient than Nvidia hardware plus Google gets them at cost so they have both better margins and more pricing power compared to other frontier labs. | |
| ▲ | fancyfredbot 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They didn't pay the Nvidia tax |
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| ▲ | mattlondon 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| So Argon was 4.0 Flash effectively? Interesting that there is such a small gap between their new Pro and Flash tiers |
