	▲	0c3ca83 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I don't think they do. They just care about owning shiny things. If you care about software (or math, or art, or literature, or any other aspect of human creativity), AI is at best like hiring someone to solve jigsaw puzzles for you.

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0c3ca83 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Interesting response in light of your previous post, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48197191

You complain an the shit future we're building. Someone says fuck you to your dystopia and starts explicitly weeding it out, and you call it backwards.

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rfgplk 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm a hardcore LLM booster but I agree that there's a place for LLM-free projects. In fact human generated code is still superior to even frontier LLM generated code, as long as you're willing take a massive productivity penalty.

	▲	mrob 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I'm of the opinion that improved developer productivity has been a net negative for at least a decade. Regardless of my opinion of LLMs, I don't want it any easier for people to add more antifeatures and pointless changes.
	▲	rootnod3 7 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Gotta give the AIs some new original material to learn from, eh?

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holistio 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I see why you see it as contradiction. I guess we've all been through a lot of contradictory feelings these past one or two years.

I just feel like eliminating LLM output is (1) not feasible (2) not the right solution to the problem.

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0c3ca83 5 hours ago | parent [-]

As far as I can tell, either LLMs naturally fail to be viable, we collectively decide to put a stop to it, or we end up in one of several dystopias.

My bet is that we end up building an awful outcome for nearly humans, which means that trying to put a stop to it is a duty, even if it's likely to fail. I feel the same about climate change -- it's likely that we're going to fail to keep much of earth habitable, but it's not morally acceptable to stop trying.

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holistio 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I now feel like the efforts put into trying to stop it are wasted and the people wasting these efforts are smart enough that they could instead be trying to steer the whole thing in a better direction.

Ignorance won't help us. I agree with the negatives, I just feel like this approach is backwards.

	▲	0c3ca83 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		In which direction would you steer a house fire to lead to a better outcome? There's no good endpoint for people if AI succeeds, it's that simple. It doesn't matter how many people get to roast marshmallows as the place burns.