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▲ piokoch 2 hours ago

Well, this was discovered long time ago, by Vilfredo Pareto, this is exemplification of his 90/10 rule. Having said that... We should be more honest here when we talk about wealth.

If one asks "how much, say, Elon Musk, is worth" we see some crazy numbers with kirjillions of zeros. But those are not "his" money, this is how much his companies are estimated to have. Yes, he has large personal fortune, but it is nowhere near those huge billions of billions amounts.

Second, staying with Elon example, his companies are paying people and other companies that pay people, so there is huge army of people who have food in the fridge because of Elon Musk (I've seen some estimates around ~1 million people overall). Again, they are nowhere near to be as wealthy as Elon, but still, they have a decent live thanks to his companies.

▲jgilias an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It’s not about “cash at hand”, it’s about who owns “stuff”. In days past people knew that the aristocracy owned them, their families, the land they work, and the output of their work by a God given right flowing from the anointed King. It was easy to see too - those people living in palaces up the hill owned everything, you owned nothing.

It’s more hidden now. We all have rights and freedoms and whatnot. But there are still people who “own stuff”, and people who don’t. With shades of gray in between those two extremes. It’s good to be cognizant of the system you inhabit relative to what has existed throughout history so you can make good decisions and position yourself accordingly.

▲tclancy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don’t do the First Name Last Name thing and then get the ratio wrong.

▲thrance an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I used to buy this sort of arguments, but then saw him fork $45B to buy Twitter, on demand, so...

> his companies are paying people and other companies that pay people

Yes, his companies, not him. He's not doing much, except distracting part of his workforce to work on vanity projects such as flying cars or mile-long vaccuum tubes, or spending some of his vast wealth to buy politicians that will further the cause of wealth inequality. Get rid of him, and the system works much better for everyone. Him and others like him.

▲taneq an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> this is how much his companies are estimated to have

Not even ‘to have’, just ‘to be worth, if all of their shares could be sold at the price of the recent ones’. It’s a number only loosely (albeit obviously positively) correlated with actual spending power.

▲vrganj an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Elons ownership of those companies is not what puts food in people's fridges, nor is that amount of power concentration a natural, good or even defensible thing.

The whole point is that he shouldn't be able to exert autocratic control over large swathes of the economy and control that many people's lives.

▲micromacrofoot an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

this is such a tired argument, we'd probably be better off splitting musk into a million millionaires than having it all bottlenecked into one person

▲hobo123 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

But millionaires only but nice houses and maybe a nice car or two, and send their kids to a nice college. Billionaires invest in companies that create many jobs. Maybe you can argue the houses and colleges create even more jobs, idk.

▲thrance an hour ago | parent | next [-]

We've never had this many billionaires, and they've never been this rich. So following your logic, the country should be more prosperous than ever, right?

▲lucaspm98 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

We are almost indisputably the most prosperous ever, especially if you index against countries who have taken the approach of preventing or punishing success (UK, France).

▲whoanoway an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲Rapzid 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Splitting Musk into a million pieces? That's certainly an idea.

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▲jareklupinski 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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▲eastbound an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

But how can we tease people and instill them hate if we're being reasonable with arguments?

▲andybak an hour ago | parent [-]

If you don't accept this particular argument then there are plenty more. This one is just quick and easy to convey.

There are very solid arguments backing up the same general points that require time to communicate and require good faith attempts to understand from the other party. But you probably don't want those either.