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▲ MOARDONGZPLZ 2 hours ago

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▲haunter 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Most people here probably have around $5-10M in assets given we’re mostly in tech

Nothing against you OP but this the perfect highlight how out of touch HN can be from the reality.

▲ElProlactin 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah. In my circle, everyone using HN is worth at least $25-35M. Liquid.

Except for one guy, but he's 16 and will probably be the richest on paper once his AI agent startup's pre-Seed Series Z closes.

▲hlynurd an hour ago | parent [-]

You guys must not have a lot of years of experience? My friends groups have a few hundred million dollars each (the junior developers are in the lower hundreds)

▲ElProlactin an hour ago | parent [-]

We're older. We missed out on the AI boom and the really juicy stock grants. Throw in toys that depreciate in value, tuition for the kids, a couple divorces/trophy wives, etc. and the money goes fast. It's amazing we have anything left at all!

▲throwaway384034 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Stepping outside and travelling really gives you a perspective on how much of a bubble online forums are.

▲MOARDONGZPLZ an hour ago | parent [-]

Even hearing from others on this forum helps! Sounds like most people haven’t been nearly as lucky-heavy fortunate as folks in irl circles. Very eye opening, and I appreciate everyone’s anecdotes.

▲p-e-w 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I thought this was a setup to a joke when I read it.

▲i80and 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Most people here probably have around $5-10M in assets

There is no way this is true. FAANG pays well, but that is still an eye popping amount of wealth unless you're an executive or absolute top-echelon engineer.

▲Dumblydorr 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah talk about out of touch, does OP have that much? I’ve been in tech for 10 years, don’t have anywhere close to 5 million.

▲ElProlactin 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> I’ve been in tech for 10 years, don’t have anywhere close to 5 million.

You're doing it wrong!

▲Avicebron an hour ago | parent [-]

You're out of touch if you think that's any sort of realistic answer.

▲eru 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I guess it depends on how old you are.

▲lucideer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Most people here probably have around $5-10M in assets given we’re mostly in tech

Even in a SV world I'm trying to get my head around the logical leap that gets you to this number. Median comp in SV is <500k - that's 20 years in the business to earn $10m ignoring taxes & your actual living expenditure. Obviously we can jump that with equity, but that's still not moving the dial far enough for the "majority" to be up at those heights.

I don't see how we're getting anywhere near these figures without generational wealth (assume this is the answer).

▲danielheath an hour ago | parent | next [-]

If you're saving 100k per annum and getting a 10% ROI, 20 years brings you to 6.3m.

Obviously even in SV "most people" have not already finished doing this.

▲MOARDONGZPLZ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Definitely not salary. But over the past ten years GOOG has 8x in value, for example.

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▲anonym29 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's ignoring taxes, too. Real take home for a single filer earning 500k in SF is ~$282k. Take out another $48k for median-ish SF rent ($4k*12) and that "$500k" is already south of 250 before most of your bills are accounted for.

▲entrope an hour ago | parent [-]

Most people in the US would be delighted to have over $200k of gross income, much less after paying for taxes and housing. Your argument seems to suggest that those developers should also be very happy with their incomes.

▲thrownawaysz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Most people here probably have around $5-10M in assets given we’re mostly in tech.

Maybe if you are in SV. I know this post is about the US but tech in EU definitely doesn’t put you in the 10m€ bracket

▲eru 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, salaries in the EU are generally pretty bad, and then you have high taxes on top. That's a good reason for why I left the place.

(Though to Singapore, not to the US. Salaries are higher than in the EU (though less than in SV), taxes are a lot lower than in either. Quality of life is higher than in the US for me.)

▲bombcar an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Even in the USA you're not getting to $5m net worth on salary alone, not without decades of it.

(Or as more likely, you've been in SV since Apple was a twinkle in the garage and your house is worth north of $5m.)

For comparison purposes, $5m invested well should be about $150k a year forever (3% safe withdrawal rate). If you have a net worth of $5m you should be able to live without working - if you want to (median US household income is $87k).

Anyway, off to buy some $10 bananas.

▲eru an hour ago | parent [-]

> For comparison purposes, $5m invested well should be about $150k a year forever (3% safe withdrawal rate). If you have a net worth of $5m you should be able to live without working - if you want to (median US household income is $87k).

This is all getting more annoying with capital gains taxes (and inflation, since capital gains taxes are usually levied on nominal gains).

I moved to a place with simpler taxes, including no capital gains taxes.

> If you have a net worth of $5m you should be able to live without working - if you want to (median US household income is $87k).

Depends on how much you want to live off.

> Even in the USA you're not getting to $5m net worth on salary alone, not without decades of it.

I don't think the original commenter was talking about juniors who just started?

▲dukeyukey 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Although looking at Levels.fyi, salaries in London are significantly more than Singapore, and that's with the CoL apparently being higher in Singapore.

▲eru an hour ago | parent [-]

You need to look at net salaries after taxes. And for CoL it depends on what your consumption basket is. My cost of living would be higher in London. (I lived in both places.) I don't drive, I don't smoke, I use public transport a lot, and I pay for household help. I do drink beer, which is expensive in Singapore, but it's a small part of my overall budget.

I save a lot of money on 0% capital gains taxes here.

I regularly check London jobs and interview for them, but the numbers haven't made sense so far.

▲folkrav an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Nowhere BUT the US puts you in that bracket.

▲ramon156 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"before i joined FAANG i was poor"

I dont think that's in the books for everyone

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▲f6v 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Most people here probably have around $5-10M in assets given we’re mostly in tech

Some European making 3k/month net probably wept reading this.

▲bombcar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think your comment strikes at an issue that everyone feels but is hard to articulate - there's true poverty (Appalachia, say) and then there's "working-class poor" which you can try to define but nearly everyone puts themselves into it. Perhaps a better term is "paycheck to paycheck" - by almost any measure, anyone gainfully employed in the USA is rich beyond the world's wildest dreams - but telling a family making $40k a year that they make more than 90% of the world doesn't help.

▲techiferous an hour ago | parent [-]

"by almost any measure, anyone gainfully employed in the USA is rich beyond the world's wildest dreams"

I'm not sure your mental model holds. A lot of Europe has higher standards of living than the USA. And a lot of Asian countries have made huge strides in the last few decades. Also consider the difference between Mississippi and Massachusetts. I wouldn't say that anyone gainfully employed in Mississippi is "rich beyond the world's wildest dreams".

▲groestl 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have a box full of cables, that's what I have.

▲olelele an hour ago | parent [-]

Me too! Actually a few :)

▲schainks 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

An awful take from someone who clearly hasn’t studied California itself.

Around 17% of CA residents live below the poverty line, which means MILLIONS of adults that are not students. Elderly are a significant chunk of that number.

https://www.ppic.org/publication/poverty-in-california/

https://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/young-californians-fac...

▲dobin an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If someone works for 50 years, and earns 100'000$ per year, he will have 5 million dollars at the end.

If he manages to not spend anything, like on housing, or food.

▲jansport123 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This really only applies to certain class of SV people who've ridden the tech wave by arriving at the correct time.

▲hypfer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not sure about that "most people here". Maybe in SV? Not in Europe.

If I were to liquidate my whole existence, I'd probably end up at maybe 300k€? Maybe? And that is already rather high up here in Germany.

▲eru 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Alas, yes, salaries in Germany are pretty bad.

▲hypfer 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It does - in truly german fashion - make one wonder how efficient that SV machine is.

The ratio of getting shit done per dollar seems a bit low. Even with Germany continuing to be.. uh.. not exactly on top of its game.

▲dukeyukey 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure it applies to SV either. Like definitely some, but not even most.

▲nobodyandproud 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m in NYC and I don’t make that kind of money.

▲LtWorf 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Most people here probably have around $5-10M

I expect most people here to certainly be nowhere near that.

▲david-gpu 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Most people here probably have around $5-10M in assets given we’re mostly in tech.

You would be surprised. Not only because, as you point out, recent graduates often have a negative net worth, but also because people tend to increase their spending in lockstep with their income.

Saving millions takes the intersection of multiple factors: sufficient disposable income, prioritizing investing over lifestyle, long-term discipline to stick to the plan, and luck to keep it all going smoothly.

▲tjpnz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Most people here probably have around $5-10M in assets given we’re mostly in tech.

In yen perhaps.

▲weatherlite 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If not yen I for sure have that in Iranian currency I guess

▲avaer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Jaw dropping that you would think that, even in SV. Many people in tech are losing their jobs to AI, many cannot afford a home.

You're looking at the tower above but maybe you should look at the valley below.

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