| ▲ | SOTGO 3 hours ago |
| I'm tentatively hopeful. I think it's a disgrace how many communities have moved from the open internet into Discord, and at least this is continuing to move towards fixing a lot of the problems that migration caused. I do wonder why they chose now though, it seems like there's potentially a lot of value in keeping this data private, or at least selling it for a fee |
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| ▲ | Morromist 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| "it's a disgrace how many communities have moved from the open internet into Discord" Why? Its primary use for me is having small, private communities of people who aren't entirely anonymous to eachother and isn't scraped (too much), commodified and filtered through an algorithm like most of the open internet. I would hate it if suddenly it became like reddit or facebook. The open web really went down a bad path well over a decade ago and I think its time to hard-turn away from it until things get better. The benefits of everyone abandoning the open web are considerable. Some people are annoyed because discord doesn't have the archival capacity of an old fasioned message board, and if that's your problem with it you're right, but I think the benefits of fluid accessibility and relative privacy outweigh the problems at the moment. |
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| ▲ | hungryhobbit 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's almost like there are different-sized Discords out there, and some people (e.g. you) use only the small ones, while other people are different, and some of them use large Discords. |
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| ▲ | burnte 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm not a fan of the change. I wanted Discord to remain it's little walled garden so I could continue to ignore it. It's a terrible experience in every way and I genuinely have zero idea why anyone uses it. |
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| ▲ | john_strinlai 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >I genuinely have zero idea why anyone uses it. it's a super low-friction text, voice & screenshare program with support for your whole WoW guild (or whatever communities) and you have "genuinely zero idea" why people use it? | | |
| ▲ | plant-ian 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think you could probably just say "it became popular because it's free and everyone could use it to game with friends". Those of us that have fallen out of gaming or people that don't game might not literally have any idea why anyone uses it. So you could both be right. You are taking their zero to one by providing the answer. I think there is a whole generation of people that have very fond memories of discord and everyone outside that window does not have that connection at all. An addendum to that might be that other people have used other services before discord even existed that had better (?) feature sets but didn't win out and that can create confusion because neither group of people understands what the other group is talking about because there is no shared experience. | | |
| ▲ | morkalork an hour ago | parent [-] | | There are discord communities around hobbies and shared interests that have nothing to do with gaming and have thousands of users. But half the good is that they are not some wide-open, forever-indexed forum like reddit. |
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| ▲ | anthonypasq 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | i think a certain brand of hackernews user just likes being completely obtuse in a bid for superiority. how could anyone possible enjoy x mainstream thing, i only use y hyper niche thing that signals my status to tech nerds. queue the guy talking about the most obscure linux distro you can possibly imagine. | | |
| ▲ | RHSeeger an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Discord is a mediocre chat medium - I don't mind using it, but it wouldn't be my first choice. But people use it to store all information about some games - effectively replacing a wiki. And it is AWFUL for that. Everything about Discord makes it bad for that - Can't be found in search engines - Abysmal search functionality - Abysmal discoverability | | |
| ▲ | nantangitan 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | What do you find so bad about Discord's search functionality?
Because I see this complaint a lot, but I've personally never had any real problems with it, and it seems to cover pretty much all of the bases I'd want in a search for this kind of platform. |
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| ▲ | lrvick an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hey, I am that guy that founded that one obscure Linux distro. And yes, it is better than whatever one you use at supply chain security if nothing else. ;) Really though, I do think people often equate popularity with being a healthy default solution for society. A lot of people enjoy mcdonalds, and hell even I cave and buy it once in a while, but popular does not mean it is a healthy default for society. The corpos are incentivized to addict you and trap you. Not to give you the best solution. If one actually does research beyond "but all my friends use it" they would see Discord is objectively one of the worst things to happen to sovereign and privacy preserving communication on the internet in a long time. Tech communities using it should know better. Whenever I see an open source project that says "Join my Discord" without any alternatives, I close the tab. If a technical project cannot find an hour to figure out how to setup a chat with their community without mandating use of a surveillance capitalism product, our goals are already too far apart. | |
| ▲ | yangm97 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | But NixOS is not obscure once you get into it. | |
| ▲ | keithnz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | yep, many previous discussions on discord tend to result in many HNers poo pooing discord. All the things they say would happen never happened. | |
| ▲ | lezojeda an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | justsomehnguy 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > low-friction is the key here the same reason WhatsApp and Telegram won on their markets | |
| ▲ | lezojeda an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | Aozora7 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Discord is my favorite communication platform on the internet. It combines everything useful that was offered by older platforms like IRC, Skype and TeamSpeak, and provides that with a modern UI. For me, it also helps that all of my favorite communities are on it. | |
| ▲ | andrewflnr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Because it's actually a good experience in some ways. I mean, it's not great, but as a chat room it's fine. | | |
| ▲ | mostlysimilar 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It used to be. The core offering is still functional. But with every update it becomes less usable. Orbs, badges, glittery avatar borders, aggressively animated, rainbow gradient text usernames, and now ads embedded directly into the UI. | | |
| ▲ | tancop an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | For me all these things are good except the last one (if you mean partner games in the bottom left corner, I hope they're not A/B testing Google Ads in the app). My profile is more low key but I don't hate others for going heavy on the effects. It's just self expression. What I don't like is the way they used to sell Nitro before they came up with the flashy cosmetics, restricting features that used to be free. And how they used a third party service for UK age verification that ended up hacked. And their security record in general. And being closed source with no official export tools. I guess its all subjective. | | |
| ▲ | jacobgkau 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > no official export tools. There actually is technically an official method to request a copy of your own data (think Google Takeout): https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360004027692-R... I've used it once. It worked to recover some messages from DMs that were far enough down in my history they were no longer shown in the web/desktop UI. However, it only included my own messages in each DM/channel, without the context of whoever I was talking to. |
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| ▲ | keithnz an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | none of that makes it less usable. That side bar where its shown is mostly just to see who is online and I found for many users, they don't even have that bar showing. The core chat/voice/streaming is just as functional as ever. | | |
| ▲ | andrewflnr an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It's actually not just as functional as ever. Quality of voice and video chat took a noticeable dive this year, maybe coincidentally right as vibe coding really took off in the industry. And all that extra crap might not make discord unusable but it does suck. Like I said, not great. | |
| ▲ | jacobgkau 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Animations from peoples' names and from their super reactions playing over other content after happening to move my mouse over them is something I'd consider a slight usability issue. |
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| ▲ | ElijahLynn 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | To communicate with each other. |
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| ▲ | madrox 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's to get more users. This is only applying to servers meant to be public, which is probably already getting scraped |
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| ▲ | ganoushoreilly 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Don't forget why this happened. Discourse and opinions counter to the narrative pulled people away from public discussion due to fear or reprisal / issues. Reddit outside of some niche subs still largely deals with global thought policing. |
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| ▲ | john_strinlai 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | im pretty sure most people moved to discord because it is easy and has a lot of nice features, not because they were scared of global thought police | | |
| ▲ | Sharlin 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Right. Many communities and project teams saw a real need for an IRC replacement, whether literally or not, and Discord was the least bad choice simply by existing. And IRC channels were of course just as un-googlable without setting up a logging bot and a crawlable archive. | |
| ▲ | cowlevel 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not necessarily because they were scared, but probably a lot of them got banned or saw their friends get banned from Reddit, and couldn't get back on because Reddit has quite strong detection for ban evaders, so after the initial anger period, Reddit just disappeared from their mind altogether. | | |
| ▲ | add-sub-mul-div 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You can openly be a white supremacist on Twitter now. The reason some people still aren't happy is because what they really want is to be able to have terrible opinions and not be disliked and shunned, which isn't possible. Social repercussions and censorship are different things. | | |
| ▲ | devilsdata 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I've found that people with terrible opinions aren't happy to stay in their own groups. They want to be part of the nice groups. |
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| ▲ | axus 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | But they sure are upset now that Discord bans accounts based on reports to its thought police. | |
| ▲ | ganoushoreilly 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Both things can be true. | | |
| ▲ | john_strinlai 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | i doubt it is true for the majority, though. in any case, i dont think the "hunter biden laptop" discord group is opting into this feature. |
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| ▲ | nitwit005 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'd say the evidence rather strongly suggests people are mostly going to discord to talk about video games and share anime art. The most popular servers are for AI companies, and video games. Which is not too surprising for a platform heavily designed around supporting video gaming. | | |
| ▲ | tancop an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm on 3 high school and 5 college servers. It's not just for games. Most companies won't use it for work because they have a pretty bad security record and no enterprise features, but it's perfect for any small to mid size community. | | | |
| ▲ | ganoushoreilly 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm in 1 Discord for Gaming, the rest (about 45) are all non gaming related (though discussions sometimes happen). Including AI, Development, Art, Music, etc. I think Discord has a wider audience that many aren't aware of. | | |
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| ▲ | JDups 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Discord is popular because a very significant amount of people prefer the casual social instant chatting aspect over the slower threaded style of forums, especially young people. | |
| ▲ | Karrot_Kream 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't think this is true for most people on the big issues but do think it's true for a lot of small issues. Reddit (and HN) lead to a lot of pageant show dynamics where the people with the time to hit the buttons decide what content to boost. Small Discord communities are free from that. | |
| ▲ | nozzlegear 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's not at all why my WoW guild moved to Discord. | |
| ▲ | perchedonstilts 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >Discourse and opinions counter to the narrative pulled people away from public discussion due to fear or reprisal / issues This is such a far fetched/reactionary comment, that it's frankly surprising it hasn't been flagged. Discord become popular because they capitalized on the emerging online gaming community in the 2010s by offering a convenient and most importantly FREE platform for people to hop online and game with friends/talk with strangers who shared a similar interest. | | |
| ▲ | ganoushoreilly 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Your response is the "Chef's kiss". It's exactly these kind of policing actions that drives content away from the masses. No one said discord wasn't popular. It's substantially popular with gaming communities. It's also very popular with non gaming communities, many of which found it an an alternative to Reddit and others. | |
| ▲ | cowlevel 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is true but I think it's both. The popular predecessor to Discord was TeamSpeak. It ran on your own servers and that made it hard to set one up. That's why Discord groups are called "servers", they were hijacking established teamspeak terminology their audience would be familiar with. And reddit died around the same time by extreme over-moderation. | | |
| ▲ | john_strinlai 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | >The popular predecessor to Discord was TeamSpeak. dont forget about vent and mumble! | | |
| ▲ | cowlevel 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think they were ever popular. It was always TeamSpeak. | | |
| ▲ | jacobgkau 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | While I disagree, it's beside your point, because Mumble and Ventrilo also used the term "server." All three also required installing a client application, which Discord did not (my recollection is that Discord was the first major WebRTC application, and that made it a killer feature in itself at the time). | |
| ▲ | john_strinlai 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | vent was massively popular. basshunter even has a chart-topping song about it. "Vi sitter i Ventrilo och spelar DotA" or "We're sitting in Ventrilo, playing DotA" mumble, admittedly, not so much. |
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| ▲ | AllegedAlec 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Vi sitter här i venten och spelar lite DotA |
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| ▲ | mvdtnz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "How dare you make a claim I don't agree with. Your opinion should be flagged and hidden from the view of the public!" It's like you custom designed your post to make his exact point. | |
| ▲ | AllegedAlec 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > This is such a far fetched/reactionary comment, that it's frankly surprising it hasn't been flagged. "This is such a wrong thing to say that I'm surprised you haven't received reprisal for it" Proving his point in real time | | |
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| ▲ | Freedom2 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do you have an example of opinions that are counter to the narrative that faced reprisal? | | |
| ▲ | cowlevel 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | On Reddit for example most of the popular subs would ban you for saying Israel's doing a genocide, even if it's relevant to the thread topic, e.g. if the topic is a news post about USA sending money to Israel. You also can't call anyone or anything fascist, or say anything that an LLM can twist into being a call for violence. For a while they were banning anyone who said the word "Luigi". | | |
| ▲ | ganoushoreilly 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Hell, some of the dev groups ban any discussion of USING llm's in code development. It's intentionally alienating and driving people away. Many of which I have found on Discord. Though even Discord seems to be having a moment of thought policing. | | |
| ▲ | mvdtnz 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Discussion of Linux has been forbidden on /r/opensource because there's AI generated code in it. | | |
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| ▲ | ganoushoreilly 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | perchedonstilts 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Let's talk Covid discussion, Hunter Biden's laptop, Political opinions, Discussions on Sexuality & Gender, Let's not. Your cherry picked list of topics reveals you'd never listen to opposition/reality. | | |
| ▲ | ganoushoreilly 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | john_strinlai 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >You sound like you're fun at parties are you going to claim censorship or thought-policing if it's pointed out to you that personal insults are not cool here? | | |
| ▲ | ganoushoreilly 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Are you going to continue to support stifling conversations? You clearly have a bias against open discussion "most of the time, this place sucks. it is just less sucky than reddit." .. or is that a misquote? Why does this place suck? Is it the discussions you don't agree with? Is the public sharing of these conversations an issue for you? This is exactly what will come from Discord, published discussions with opinions from differing sides. Or should we just go ahead and censor everything? | | |
| ▲ | john_strinlai 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Are you going to continue to support stifling conversations? [...] Or should we just go ahead and censor everything? what are you on about, man? you can get worked up all you want, i'm just reminding you of the guidelines you agreed to when you created your account here. |
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| ▲ | hilariously 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You do realize your list of choices indicates you follow a groupthink so dense that having a discussion with you is considered a foregone conclusion to most rational human beings? https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhjSYYRGNprYzOArDU9B5... Here's a nice youtube playlist from Dr. Wilson on why discussing Covid conspiracies is basically a right wing talking point and lie. A damnable lie even. If you want to "discuss Covid" go right ahead, but repeating misinformation that effectively led to the death of millions of people should leave you ashamed, as you are either a tool of evil or despicable yourself. Enjoy the open discussion! | | |
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| ▲ | gdulli 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's a disgrace what the "open" internet has become. |
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| ▲ | moralestapia 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| >many communities have moved from the open internet into Discord This was a feature. This was desired. This was welcomed by all actors involved. (You're not an actor but a spectator, unless you own a Discord server) |
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| ▲ | nozzlegear 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I "own" a Discord server for my WoW guild and I'm not particularly happy about being on it, but it's the default choice for gamers and voice chat. It would kill our raid team's recruiting if we told people they had to install some obscure service instead of Discord if they wanted to raid with us. These are just network effects. |
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