how so? these models have had refusal directions specifically removed from their weights. they refuse virtually no requests.

Not refusing requests doesn't mean they are zero-alignment. They could still have preferences for or against things that you might not agree with.

numpad0 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To split hairs, actually 100% unaligned model would be just an entirely schizophrenic autocomplete engine.

Eueudhsbsj32 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So the models are actually more aligned with the end users and less aligned with government regulators. Arguably a good thing.

	▲	cubefox an hour ago \| parent [-]
		And less aligned with ethics.

cynerx an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do they delete your data randomly just for fun? If not, there must be at least some sort of alignment.

actually if you're not careful, many times they will. if you are using one of these definitely don't leave "auto" mode enabled.

Are you suggesting the abliterated models are more likely to delete data against the user's wishes than the original models?

	▲	cynerx an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Saw this paper about it https://toolalignbench.github.io/

That says nothing about their alignment. You can make a human not refuse any directions with enough leverage, but you won’t have aligned them.

	▲	cubefox an hour ago \| parent [-]
		So what? He said that removing refusals makes them misaligned, not aligned.