| ▲ | abetusk a day ago |
| ETH is false! I really would not have believed it. [0]: > We give a deterministic algorithm for exactly counting the satisfying assignments of an arbitrary k-CNF formula. For every fixed k ⩾ 2, on a formula with n variables and m clauses, our algorithm uses $poly_k (n, m)$ space and runs in time $(n + m)^{O_k(1)} 2^{n/(\log n)^{1/2 + o(1)}}$ The dominant term there is (roughly) $2^{n / (\log n)^{0.5}}$, so still superpolynomial but less than exponential. Fucking wild. [0] https://github.com/openai/math/blob/main/preprints/The-Expon... |
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| ▲ | slashtrends a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| They gave the algorithm to the original authors of the papers to review, I bet their reaction was similar to yours. |
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| ▲ | danbruc 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And the claimed algorithm solves the counting problem, i.e. determining the number of different solutions, which in many cases is much harder than just determining whether a solution exists or finding one of the solutions. |
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| ▲ | a115ltd 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | Knowing the count also gives you a O(n) way of finding a solution. | | |
| ▲ | dragontamer 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | No. The number of valid permutations of 10 things is 10!. Reviewing all 10! Things is clearly exponential or even worse than exponential. We can get the count of 10! pretty easily, far easier than trying all combinations manually. | | |
| ▲ | danbruc 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | The parent comment is correct, if you can count the solutions, it is easy to find a solution. Assuming there is a solution, you set the first variable to either true or false and then count the solutions. If it is zero, you made the wrong choice and the first variable must be set to the opposite value. Repeat for the remaining variables until you have fixed all of them and found a solution. This takes n invocations of the counting algorithm and is probably what the parent comment means with O(n) even though this is not correct as it is O(n times whatever the counting algorithm runtime is) and not just O(n). But the parent comment also missed my point. They have an algorithm for the counting problem which also provides a subexponential algorithm for the decision and search problem. But they could have refuted the exponential time hypothesis with a subexponential search or decisions algorithm which would not [easily] provide a subexponential counting algorithm. |
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| ▲ | impossiblefork 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I never believed the EHT, but I can't prove I didn't and I only didn't believe it for the shallow reason that I didn't feel that there was a strong argument that it should actually be exponential, since there are so many almost-exponential things that it could equally well be. |
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| ▲ | debo_ a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah, this really blew me away. I took a graduate computational complexity course and the original prof had to drop out due to health reasons. We got another professor from a completely different field who was basically as green in the field as we were, but with far better research chops. It turned the course into kind of a long-running lab where we just kind of did whatever we wanted. We spent a lot of time just philosophizing (mostly uselessly) about the ETH. I am very chuffed to see this result. |
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| ▲ | casey2 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And who says AI doesn't create open problems. This unlocks thousands of high quality open problems. Turns out the 'opne' in open AI wasn't referring to open source, but open problems! |
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| ▲ | contubernio 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not AI that has created those open problems. It has simply shown that some conjecture is false and that leads naturally to problems in a sense already posed. A very different thing is proposing a framework and in it identifying interesting questions. So far AI has only worked within existing frameworks addressing problems already posed. That may change in the future, but it would be a genuine and qualitative evolution. | |
| ▲ | vaylian 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How about AI solves climate change next? That's an important open problem. | | |
| ▲ | jatora 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Climate change has many clean solutions lol. Just none that anyone gives a fuck about enacting. We'll deal with it post singularity (if we even care then) | | |
| ▲ | vaylian 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then the open question simply becomes how to make humans give a fuck. |
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| ▲ | rocqua 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's not the type of problem where a useful solution can be verified in Lean. Which makes LLMs a lot less good at solving that type of problem. | |
| ▲ | theresq 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | One possible path is human extinction. I guess with current alignment problems, it may be the chosen path. :| |
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| ▲ | sylware 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | microsoft "open"AI is... open source? really... You meant deepseek? |
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