| ▲ | US designates helium as a critical material(apnews.com) |
| 161 points by rbanffy 5 hours ago | 92 comments |
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| ▲ | throw0101c 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Good interview on the subject on Bloomberg's Odd Lots podcast a few months back, "Now There's a Helium Shortage and It Affects More Than Balloons": > Ripple effects from the war in Iran and the closure of the Strait of Hormuz continue to widen. There's yet another brewing shortage, this time in helium. While most people associate helium with balloons and funny voices, the element is used in a surprisingly wide variety of industrial settings, including semiconductor production, where its role in advanced lithography has been growing rapidly. But helium mining and exploration in North America has been practically non-existent for a variety of reasons. And while the US used to have a strategic helium reserve, the government started selling that down in the late 1990s. On this episode, we speak with Nicholas Snyder, the founder and CEO of North American Helium, which does helium mining in Canada. We discuss the properties of helium that make it so useful, as well as the difficulties of expanding global production and distribution. * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjc6MgUY0BE * https://omny.fm/shows/odd-lots/now-theres-a-helium-shortage-... * https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/now-theres-a-helium-sh... The US had a strategic reserve, but it was sold off: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Helium_Reserve |
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| ▲ | AIexander 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The sale was required by law due to the the Helium Privatization Act of 1996, signed by Clinton. Amended in 2013 by the Helium Stewardship act which allowed it to be sold in an auction with funds credited to the Helium Protection Fund, signed by Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium_Privatization_Act_of_19... | | |
| ▲ | ldoughty 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 1996 - Introduced by Republicans. Passed by unanimous consent in the House and Senate. [0] 2013 - Introduced by Republicans. Passed with 2 nay votes in the Senate, 1 in the House. [1] Both parties allowed it to happen. In both cases it was veto-proof. Pointless to call out a president. Pointless to blame one party or the other. Both have overwhelming support for this. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium_Privatization_Act_of_19... 1: https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/527/... | | |
| ▲ | myphpgothacked 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | This over simplifies politics. If Trump made a gigantic fuss about something that seems inconsequential, there would be more than 2 nay votes. The Epstein files are the counter example of this. The position in the United States to make sure people vote aligned is called Whip. Given the makeup of Congress, and even myself as a chem engineer, I could see this as something easy to pass. Sometimes I think we need more involvement from the deep state and less from people with nice looking hair. | | |
| ▲ | ldoughty 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Everything about politics has to have enough footnote and caveats to make people's eyes bleed... but boiling an act down to a single person is not appropriate unless they were the champion of it, or it's intended as a placeholder for the party. It sounded odd to me that Clinton/Obama would champion this... It felt very free-market / Republican thing to do, especially with it being called the "Privatization Act"... So I looked for more info. Sure enough, it was introduced by Republicans... But Democrats share full blame on this if you think it's wrong... and the measure passed by so much it's almost pointless to call out the president because -- as you noted -- if the president fought it, there probably wouldn't be unanimous consent followed by 98% approval on amendment. So again: Why call out the presidents and not the party numbers except to inflame? | | |
| ▲ | AIexander 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | If anything it was giving credit to the 2013 amendment. It's funny that you're debating my relatively innocuous post when there are a number of clearly inaccurate/irrelevant politically motivated posts in this same thread. | | |
| ▲ | ldoughty an hour ago | parent [-] | | I believe you're mireading my statements. I am not meaning / attempting to attack you. I was curious about why two Democrat presidents were being called out on something that seemed like a republican-themed billk. Upon investigation, I saw they signed it -- yes, as you said -- but also even if they didn't sign it, or vetoed it, it would still have passed with 98 to 100% on congressional approval. I felt this was an important fact, in our highly political time, to point out this was one of those bipartisan bills that made it through. I could additionally add that the house and senate were Republican controlled during the initial act, so the fact it got to Clinton during split-branch control is additionally proof of the bipartisan nature... But I was attempting to be beef and fa tual, and the given information I felt was sufficient to convey this was bipartisan. I would have preferred more facts with your initial comment. It would have saved me some research time... Since I did the extra work, I decided to share it to save someone else that effort. |
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| ▲ | dualvariable 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > This over simplifies politics. No, it doesn't. "Passed by Clinton" and "Passed by Obama" are the statements that oversimplify politics. > The position in the United States to make sure people vote aligned is called Whip. That is also a gross oversimplification of our politics. | | |
| ▲ | bovermyer an hour ago | parent [-] | | Keep in mind you're responding to someone called "myphpgothacked" whose accounted was created 11 hours ago. Be wary of these. |
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| ▲ | croes 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The 104th Congress passed the Act of Congress presenting the legislation to the United States President on September 30, 1996. President Bill Clinton enacted the federal statute into law on October 9, 1996. > Both chambers had Republican majorities for the first time since the 83rd Congress in 1953. | | |
| ▲ | chrisco255 an hour ago | parent [-] | | People immediately trying to point fingers, it's all so tiresome. Ultimately Clinton could have vetoed but this was likely a bipartisan supported bill. Both sides of the government were generally for balancing the budget and winding down some of the excess spending and planning that went into the Cold War era mentality. The late 90s was the only time in my lifetime, I believe, that the deficit shrank. But of course, Your Team Was Responsible For All the Good Things and The Other Team Was Responsible For All the Bad Things from that era. |
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| ▲ | chrisco255 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Government sales flooded the market with cheap helium, causing much of the private helium industry to shut down Very sloppy | |
| ▲ | moralestapia 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >The US had a strategic reserve, but it was sold off: Yes, you can read more about that here, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50249073 |
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| ▲ | AngryData 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Meanwhile we vent 95% of extracted helium into the atmosphere as an inconvenient waste gas. If it is so important, why aren't all our gas wells extracting that helium? It is hard for me to see this as a ploy for anything other than raising helium prices for the few companies that do extract helium. In anything that helium is critical for, the helium cost is inconsequential compared to both the cost of the other equipment that uses it, and the value gained from using that equipment. |
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| ▲ | throw0101c 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > If it is so important, why aren't all our gas wells extracting that helium? Because until six months ago there was a cheap and convenient supply coming out of Persian Gulf states, and so its importance was not noticed (like so many other items that 'suddenly' became apparent when the supply was suddenly cut off). | | |
| ▲ | knappe 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | We've been having helium shortages for years: > The current helium shortage is the fourth to occur since 2006 and is being caused by shutdowns at several major helium producers. The shortage has been exacerbated by the war in Ukraine, as Russia is one of the world’s top suppliers of helium. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2022/6/24/helium-shortage... I have a friend who teaches chemistry at a well known university that can no long run some labs because the equipment to run them needs, you guessed it, helium. This has been a long running problem that the Iran war has exacerbated, but is by no means the cause. | | |
| ▲ | fmajid 36 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Sufficiently long that in the TV Series “The Big Bang Theory”, one subplot involves the characters buying helium from a black market dealer to perform their experiments |
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| ▲ | ctmlr 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I've heard Helium is a limited resource so if we have leaky wells here I think we should be preserving as much of that is possible, it's too bad it takes pressure from an unnecessary conflict to do the right thing here. | | |
| ▲ | throw0101c 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > I've heard Helium is a limited resource […] I've heard the same thing about petroleum. :) | | |
| ▲ | exe34 an hour ago | parent [-] | | There are other sources of energy. With helium, once it's gone, there's nothing to replace it. | | |
| ▲ | thaumasiotes an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Well, there is; you can just wait for more helium to be produced underground. That's the same method that provided the helium we have now. | |
| ▲ | wongarsu 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Jupiter's atmosphere is about 25% helium. And then there's the other gas giants, and the sun itself (also about a quarter helium) We risk running out of cheap helium. But if you are willing to pay infinite money there is near-infinite helium | | |
| ▲ | A_D_E_P_T 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Right now, even with infinite money, you have no way to extract helium from Jupiter and return it to Earth. (To say nothing of the Sun!) Maybe with a couple hundred more years of technological development... Our moon itself is said to have ~1M tons of very valuable Helium-3 in surface deposits, but even that's nigh impossible to harvest commercially right now. |
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| ▲ | myphpgothacked 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you ask international relations scholars or people in the state department, they actually support the prevention of nuclear proliferation. The general population typically are doves because they can't see the consequences 10-50 years out. My PhD bud, a Bernie supporter, thinks we should have put boots on the ground by now. I generally agree. I lived through North Korea getting nuclear weapons in my lifetime. Before they were the end of a joke, today we have to care about the opinions of that backwater. (And I read international relations structural realists as much as I drink coffee... The job of the hegemon is to maintain the status quo.) | | |
| ▲ | delecti 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Iran already wasn't working on nuclear weapons (a confident assessment by our intelligence community across the past 20+ years). The JCPOA then gave us the ability to verify that for ourselves. Then we (metaphorically) blew up that agreement, and (literally) blew up their leader who was firmly opposed to developing nuclear weapons, and the new one doesn't feel the same. | | |
| ▲ | bluGill an hour ago | parent [-] | | Iran has long said they're not working on nuclear weapons. However, they have built a large stockpile of particles of rich uranium, which is something completely useless to have unless you're planning on building nuclear weapons. This stockpile was built under the previous leader, who you are trying to claim was opposed to developing them, and yet he knew. who you are trying to claim was opposed to developing them and yet he knew.
Iran didn't have nuclear weapons, however for years they were only a few weeks away from having them. They had all the hard parts in place to build one. There's a reason to think they had plenty of experts who could do it. So far as we know they never actually built one but they absolutely could and this was done under the previous leader. | | |
| ▲ | jcranmer 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The general assessment on Iran has long been that they aim to become a nuclear threshold state (have the ability to make nuclear weapons quickly (~1y timeline or less) should they need to), but not actually acquire nuclear weapons for themselves. | |
| ▲ | delecti an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They said they weren't working on nukes, and our intelligence community released assessments which agreed. The level of enrichment they've been doing is higher than they need for power generation but it also isn't nearly enough to make nukes. A more reasonable explanation (given the assessments they aren't working on nukes) is that they were being deliberately provocative. > So far as we know they never actually built one but they absolutely could and this was done under the previous leader Right, they could, and didn't. Why? It was only 7 years from the discovery of fission to a proof of concept in the form of the trinity test. Either you assume a level of incompetence entirely divorced from Iran's efficacy on the international stage, or you accept they weren't trying. | | |
| ▲ | fmajid 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Ah but the geniuses Trump and Netanyahu assassinated the Iranian leader who had issued a fatwa banning nukes as unislamic so now all bets are off. |
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| ▲ | bigyabai an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Iran has domestic uranium deposits. They design and build their own centrifuges, and had thousands of such centrifuges during the JCPOA. It's basically impossible to denuclearize them or prevent them from building a rudimentary reactor or bomb, and it has been that way for at least two decades. Diplomacy was a proven path to prevent Iran from reaching for nuclear deterrence. The plan worked well for America and Iran, which is probably what motivated Likud to escalate the situation and force them both to pick sides. |
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| ▲ | varnaud 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | The world would be more safe if Iran had nuclear weapons (less American/Israeli/Saudi interventions in the middle east). They should have smuggled nukes from the collapsed soviet Russia or do whatever was necessary to produce nukes. Nukes, (or thousands of artillery pointed at densely populated areas allied with a country with nukes) are the surest way maintain sovereignty in the mad world we live in. | | |
| ▲ | fmajid 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The Saudis would then get nukes from Pakistan. The thought of MBS or a Wahhabism fanatic successor getting his hands on nukes is absolutely terrifying, far more than the Iranians or even Kim Jong Un. | |
| ▲ | protocolture 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | >They should have smuggled nukes from the collapsed soviet Russia or do whatever was necessary to produce nukes. The plan in Iran was always self sufficiency. |
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| ▲ | 40four 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Most importantly, semiconductor fabs cannot operate without it. I was unaware, but I saw an interesting 60 minutes piece in it the other day. I hear what you’re saying, but it’s the same reason a lot of natural gas is flared off or vented at oil wells. Helium is less than 1% of the total feed gas coming off a well and it requires specialized equipment to be able to recover it, on top of a way to distribute it. In most cases depending on the mix of gases coming out, it’s simply not economical for the operator. Even with the supply being under pressure and prices going up from Qatar’s supply being cut off, that still might not be enough for companies to build the infrastructure. It would be a huge gamble. Once traffic in the straight of Hormuz goes back to normal that could be a losing proposition. | |
| ▲ | bsder 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > If it is so important, why aren't all our gas wells extracting that helium? Because the free market considers any supplier but the cheapest to be inefficient and drives them out of business. Robustness of the supply chain is always less profitable. Whether helium or eggs or toilet paper, we keep getting shown the results of this lesson over and over. And people refuse to learn. | |
| ▲ | cma 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If helium prices are raised by this won't that lower the threshold where it is considered a waste gas? | | | |
| ▲ | gonzalohm 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Helium is really hard to store and transport |
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| ▲ | captainmuon 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| After squandering the national helium reserve for years, because "lol free markets" ideology. It's crazy that we put that stuff into balloons for fun (helium is pretty abundant in the universe, but the economically viable sources are fossil). |
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| ▲ | shagie 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/us-just-sold-heli... (2024) > On Thursday, the U.S. government sold the Federal Helium Reserve, a massive underground stockpile based in Amarillo, Texas, that supplies up to 30% of the country’s helium. > Once the deal is finalized, the buyer — which will likely be the highest bidder, the industrial gas company Messer — will claim some 425 miles of pipelines spanning Texas, Kansas and Oklahoma, plus about 1 billion cubic feet of the only element on Earth cold enough to make an MRI machine work. > ... > The sale has been in the works for more than a decade. Congress first mandated it through the Helium Stewardship Act of 2013. It was initially supposed to occur in 2021, but a series of delays — in part due to the same logistical and regulatory issues threatening shutdowns today — postponed the auction to Thursday. --- The Helium Stewardship Act: https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/527 https://www.blm.gov/programs/energy-and-minerals/helium/stew... --- And its been on the "todo list of the federal government for decades" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium_storage_and_conservatio... > ... Since 2013 the world's largest helium hub is no longer located in the United States of America but in Qatar, which produces 1.3 billion cubic feet of helium per year from a single project and meets 25% of the global demand. One challenge related to bringing new helium sources onto the market is that it usually requires venture capital financing. Another challenge is that the current selling price of U.S. Cliffside helium is too low to encourage more new producers to enter the field. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium_Privatization_Act_of_19... | | |
| ▲ | thaumasiotes an hour ago | parent [-] | | > in Qatar, which produces 1.3 billion cubic feet of helium per year from a single project I get that it might be weird to talk about producing "tons" of a gas that will float away into space if not contained, but it must still be better than talking about the amount of volume of gas being produced. How much helium is in one cubic foot? That's up to you. |
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| ▲ | pessimizer 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It's crazy that we put that stuff into balloons for fun We barely do anymore; one of the main reasons the Party City chain went bankrupt was the sharp rise in the cost of helium. The other two were covid and private equity of course lol. > The following year, the owners had Party City borrow $338 million to pay themselves a dividend. |
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| ▲ | reenorap 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| After decades of just dumping it on the market, despite knowing that it's essentially a non-renewable resource, we finally designate it a critical material. Talk about closing the barn door after the helium has escaped. |
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| ▲ | comrade1234 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I thought during the last trump administration they got rid of the helium reserve and sold it all off? Or am I taking crazy pills?! |
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| ▲ | ctmlr 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| FINALLY! Helium is for welding and science not goddamn party balloons, hydrogen party balloons sounds way more fun anyway (just keep them away from birthday candles). |
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| ▲ | thaumasiotes 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > hydrogen party balloons sounds way more fun anyway Basically equivalent at parties; much less fun for everyone involved in storing and transporting the hydrogen. | |
| ▲ | Joel_Mckay 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is no science greater than party balloons, and funny sounding voices. =3 | | |
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| ▲ | brightball 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yea, the sale of the federal helium reserve never made sense to me back in 2013. https://www.blm.gov/press-release/blm-helium-system-sale-pro... Messer American is in a good spot now I suppose: https://www.blm.gov/announcement/blm-accepts-bids-sale-feder... |
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| ▲ | hkchad 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Lets hope this get my T bottle's lower than $675 each, it's almost 2x what I was paying last year. |
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| ▲ | dathinab 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| wasn't Ukrain also a major helium producer before the war (and this having caused issues when the war started)? |
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| ▲ | beirut_bootleg 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Not directly. It was a bit of a chain reaction. 1. Russia's invasion of Ukraine disrupted Europe's established natural gas supply. 2. Europe needed more gas from alternative suppliers, including Algeria. 3. Algeria sent more gas through its pipeline to Spain rather than processing as much gas into LNG at Arzew. 4. Less gas passed through the LNG process that made helium recovery economical. 5. Helium production fell, even though the underground gas deposits could still contain helium. |
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| ▲ | nine_k 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Will birthday balloons be filled with hydrogen instead? They would have a much stronger pull! |
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| ▲ | hansvm 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I would've loved that as a kid. For that matter, I did actually fill some balloons with hydrogen using vinegar and something (might've cut some magnesium off one of those primitive fire starters, or I might've used a weaker metal, can't quite remember). I think I used the glass tube Costco used to use as a vanilla bean container to strap the balloon onto. | | |
| ▲ | garlic_enjoyer 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Zinc and vinegar is what you're looking for. Our high school science class had us fill plastic pipette bulbs to make rockets. | | |
| ▲ | hansvm 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Zinc would've worked too, I might have clipped the corner off some pennies or something. Magnesium works too though, and I definitely had access to magnesium. It was awhile ago though, so I'm not sure what I did. |
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| ▲ | aidenn0 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If by "much stronger" you mean "less than 10% stronger" A theoretical "vacuum filled" balloon would only be 16% more lift per unit volume than a helium balloon. |
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| ▲ | camcil 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I guess this explains why it cost me $60 to fill up a handful of birthday balloons a couple of months ago. |
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| ▲ | Foxhuls 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | From what I understand there are many different grades of helium and the shortages (at least when I initially was looking in to them) revolved more around the higher grades. | | |
| ▲ | hkchad 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, there are. The Semiconducter stuff is 6 9's 99.9999, then there's UHP .9995 which is what I use, then .999 mostly welding I think? Then goes down from there. Most 'balloon' grade has some oxygen in it since people like to inhale it and talk funny, adding a little o2 keeps people from dying. | | |
| ▲ | llm_nerd 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I have to interject here because I think this is a slightly dangerous claim. Balloon helium is just helium, broadly, at 98%+ concentration. It has a tiny amount of atmospheric gas, mostly nitrogen, in it as there is no need to go too far with purifying it, but there is zero intention of making it any safer to inhale. It is basically accidental contaminants. If you inhale 98%+ helium, the diffusion gradient reverses and oxygen floods out of your blood. Did this once as a kid and actually blacked out. This is functionally just as true at 98% helium with some nitrogen and a tiny amount of oxygen as it is with 99.9999% helium. The difference for inhalation is a wash. Inhaling helium is not advised. The protection we have, such as in my case, is that invariably our rapid physiological response stops us from inhaling helium and oxygen can return. | |
| ▲ | ASalazarMX 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Can't deny it's a funny way of dying, though. | | |
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| ▲ | llm_nerd 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's all the same helium, of course, going through different levels of industrial purification. I only clarify this as it isn't like we find super pure reserves in nature and that's what is lucrative, but instead it's all the same contaminated helium and then it gets processed to further and further levels of purification, like many other industrial products. If there is a shortage of helium, it's a shortage of all the same helium. But so long as it's treated as a novelty gas, and so long as it continues to just be wasted, it's hard to take claims of a shortage too seriously. As a fun fact, the vast majority of helium on Earth is courtesy of the radioactive alpha decay chain starting from heavy elements like Uranium and Thorium. Helium got trapped by the same geological formations that trapped natural gas, hence why they're usually found together despite being from completely different processes. |
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| ▲ | moralestapia 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Didn't they just sell like 80% of their reserve for pennies? Edit: Yes, https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/us-just-sold-heli... Sold at a discount, then it becomes critical so its value gets a premium. What a coinkydink. |
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| ▲ | marcosdumay 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | They choose the timing of each of those events with total freedom and independently. |
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| ▲ | ycombinatornews 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Getting Enron/PGE vibes from this timeline |
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| ▲ | PowerElectronix 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Oh no! My Helium!! C'mon... First, there's no infrastructure in the US to process the gas and purify to semi manufacturing levels. Second, as soon as the epstein war is done (either by Iran allowing navigation through Hormuz or the arab countries developing alternative routes), Helium orices will go back to be so low it doesn't make financial sense to purify unless you have the volumes they have. And by then, still no infrastructure would be ready for the task. |
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| ▲ | shagie 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The oil reserve is so that when there's a war in the Middle East you have some period of time before you run out and encounter price shocks. The helium reserve is so that when there's a war in the Middle East... The US has drawn down on the first one substantially and sold the second one to the private sector a decade ago that had no interest in maintaining it. |
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| ▲ | Dig1t 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There's a great episode about US helium by Planet Money from 2019 that tells the fascinating story of the US helium stockpile and how the shortage was created by government decisions. https://www.npr.org/2019/08/16/751845378/episode-933-find-th... |
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| ▲ | ex1fm3ta 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I can smell the collusion here from a thousand miles away. Trump must go to jail |
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| ▲ | NewJazz 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I care more about his estate being nationalized. He mixed too much. We can't tell what is his, what is the people's... Just take it all. And his complicit family members too. | | |
| ▲ | deadnomore 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Also tear down the ballroom, arch, Kennedy/Trump center, helipad, and much more to make Trump invisible and remove his legacy fully. | | |
| ▲ | jiggawatts 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Realistically, the worst consequence he will ever face is his name being passed over for naming the next generation of aircraft carriers. No USS Donald J Trump in our future is the best you can look forward to. |
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| ▲ | CharlesW 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Given his track record, it's more likely than not that there's a causal relationship between this and ExxonMobil's (they own/operate a major U.S. helium source in Wyoming) $1M pay-to-play into Trump's 2025 inaugural fund. |
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| ▲ | varispeed 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Let me guess. The Orange Trumpolini is cooking up a new deal with his pal and custodian of Epstein files, Putin. When are you Americans going to arrest this fool? |
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| ▲ | jiggawatts 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | If Trump can be sent to jail, then any billionaire could be jailed! Can you imagine!? Surely we all agree this is an unacceptable turn of events, right, fellow billionaires? |
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| ▲ | dolphinscorpion 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Trump kids already bought some small companies months ago, I guess |
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| ▲ | Zenul_Abidin 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| You can literally find it in the air. |
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| ▲ | not_a_bot_4sho 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Like gold in beach sand. It's everywhere. But extracting it is expensive and not very economical. | |
| ▲ | GloriousKoji 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There's more water in the air than helium. | |
| ▲ | thaumasiotes an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In the air? That's the one place you can't find helium. The earth doesn't have enough gravity to hold it down; if it gets into the air, it escapes into space. Any helium we have comes from underground, which is why you can see discussion of "mining" helium upthread. | | |
| ▲ | BizarroLand 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The earth has plenty enough gravity to hold down helium. It's the rest of the atmosphere, being denser and heavier than helium, that counteracts earths gravity and forces it up to the top where solar winds dislodge it. |
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| ▲ | mttch 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Or the moon, or Uranus | | |
| ▲ | shagie 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Helium on the moon is much more interesting than helium on the earth. Most of the helium on the Earth is from radioactive decay. The helium on the moon, however, is from capture from solar wind... and has a higher concentration of helium 3. https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Preparing_for_the_Futur... | | |
| ▲ | thaumasiotes 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Apart from the traditional space-faring nations, the India has previously indicated its interest in mining the lunar surface. What happened here? Does the European Space Agency not have anyone who can proofread an English document? Why are they publishing in English? |
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