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▲ reenorap 5 hours ago

When they offer a package YOU ALWAYS TAKE IT. It means that layoffs are coming.

My friend's company offered a voluntary severance package to a bunch of employees. She was talking to one of her employees and she knew that he was going to get laid off if he didn't take the package but was unable to advise him. I think the voluntary severance was 2 years medical, 2 years of vesting, many months of pay, etc. But he decided not to take the offer and was laid off for a much worse package a few months later.

ALWAYS TAKE THE VOLUNTARY SEVERANCE.

▲hypfer 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I have doubts that this is suitable as a generalized statement like that.

Ignoring specifics, the corp offers a package because they want you to take it. That means that you taking it is in their best interest.

It might also be in your own best interest, but it might also not be. That's something that needs to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis

▲eloisius 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The interests might be aligned albeit for different reasons. A corporation laying off a huge number of employees is facing reputational damage or regulatory consequences. That doesn’t mean you gain any benefit from their pain. Maybe you could sue for wrongful termination and keep your job?

▲bombcar 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It really depends on who it's being offered to - if it is literally EVERYONE you need to evaluate it on a case-to-case, but if it's a small targeted group, you probably should take it.

Also if you're a manager you should be able to make it pretty clear.

▲motionlessveloc an hour ago | parent [-]

A lowly line manager is not going to have any actual visibility into the VP-level machinations that decide the size and scope of layoffs.

But if they have half a clue they'll still be able to figure out which way the wind is blowing.

Source: a lowly line manager who has seen and survived a number of these.

▲wayeq an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> I have doubts that this is suitable as a generalized statement like that.

I had doubts too, but it is in ALL CAPS so it must be true?

▲tshaddox 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It obviously depends on the specific amounts of the package as well as the timeline and personal impact of the upcoming layoffs (the latter of which you can’t know).

The company doesn’t necessarily want everyone to take the package, and they’re inevitably going to price the separation benefits such that some employees would end up better off taking it and others would end up better off not taking it.

▲FerretFred 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Heh, wouldn't they get a shock if everybody did though

▲jere 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Always? What I’ve seen is sometimes the buy out is no better than the current severance package. Might as well ride it out. The severance could in theory get worse over time but that doesn’t seem like a worthwhile reason to throw away your job. You’re also throwing away unemployment.

▲John23832 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you take it you're not eligible to unemployment. I think in this market, given the undefined length of employment searching at the moment, that's a major consideration.

▲hibikir 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For most Microsoft employees, the maximum unemployment benefits in most states are a rounding error vs the buyout offer. Here in Missouri it's $320, maxed to 20 weeks. So for most local employees that might get this letter, It's less than a month of salary, and that without accounting for months of health benefits, which I bet the buyout includes.

▲gpvos an hour ago | parent [-]

That's $320/week, to be clear.

▲cactusplant7374 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unemployment isn’t very much, is it?

▲xp84 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, it’s really not for us, it’s more about tiding over a laid-off retail worker so they don’t get evicted. Not allowing someone with a mortgage in Cupertino or Redmond and little savings to keep their lifestyle mostly intact with just a little belt-tightening.

And I’m not saying that in a grumpy way. Yes we do have much higher salaries, and because of that it’s reasonable that it’s on us to save up for this type of rainy day, in accordance with our own personal risk assessment.

It’s honestly something I spent 15 years rarely thinking about, because while I’ve seen many RIFs, I was never worried since getting a new job was as easy as just responding to a few of the messages that constantly came in via LinkedIn or email. No longer.

▲0cf8612b2e1e 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah tech money.

Not everyone has options and unemployment can be the difference between being on the street or eating ramen.

▲annodomini2019 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Weird comment when the context is about whether a TECH employee should take the buyout offer vs unemployment...?

▲0cf8612b2e1e 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Microsoft employs more than highly paid programmers. There are sales, janitors, cooks, admins, drivers, shipping, etc

▲annodomini2019 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I would assume a lot of the types of people you're talking about are in fact not Microsoft employees, it's way more common these days to hire people like on-site cooks through agencies that effectively make them contractors for Microsoft. This notice is definitely about "corporate" employees, and I believe another comment noted that in a different source it's stated that sales and marketing are not even being offered this deal.

▲danaris 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's possible you don't live in the US...?

Generally, in the US, unemployment lasts a few months tops. Regardless of how long you worked, or how long you will be without work.

▲brainwad 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Eh, the voluntary severance offered at Google in various European countries recently was less than the negotiated payout for mandatory layoffs. And most of the headcount from people who took it was backfilled, too.

▲VirusNewbie 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At Google they did voluntary buyouts and gave managers BACKFILLs.

It wasn't a 'instead of layoffs' it was 'ok if you're burned out, here's your exit'.

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▲christkv 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hah not always. I worked at a bank where they offered this and I applied and I was denied and told I was essential.

▲Jare 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Such a great moment to ask for a raise. :)

▲BeetleB 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Having been in a company for many years, that every so often had these packages, I disagree.

Yes, of course it means layoffs are coming. This isn't a conspiracy. The whole point of these packages is "We want people to leave. The more people who take the package, the fewer the number that is laid off."

If the package is going to only a small percentage of the company, then yes, it's a sign they'll get rid of you. When it's offered to such a large number, then it's just a lottery to see who'll lose their jobs. Like all lotteries, the chances of you being impacted are low (e.g. 10% was the max in my case).

▲xp84 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, it’s often a big payout though, and taking it can be a nice bit of cash if you can line up a new job quickly. But I’d be the first to admit that likelihood seems to have plummeted for everyone (except for the geniuses who develop the AI models themselves, who are in a ton of demand.)