| ▲ | cloverich 2 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> increasingly commoditized Is it increasingly though? As of 5.5 I stopped using other models all together (and I used to regularly swap, indifferently). My $20 sub no longer runs out, even though I do _much_ more than ever. I use it for every single task at work, even trivial ones, and my spend has gone down. I was given _free_ Codex and realized... it still wasn't worth it. My rational brain says Anthropic has no moat and this is temporary. The progress of all the other models is amazing. I certainly wouldn't bet on them. But if I look at the actions of myself and the most competent coders around me, they are all doing this same thing - using 5.5 and not really looking around any longer. And we know its not even their best model. OpenAI may respond, Chinese labs may catch up. But for the moment, Anthropic seem to have added separation, not lost it, based on current vs prior _behavior_ of coders I know at home and work. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | rbehrends an hour ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
A couple of points. First, it does not really reflect my experience. I find modern models to be largely interchangeable when it comes to common software engineering tasks, including some of the more recent open weight ones. The strongest models become interesting for Ph.D. level of work for me, which is not something I deal with regularly anymore. None of them are perfect; they all have their strengths and shortcomings, but I can reasonably work with all of them and it honestly doesn't matter much anymore. I do sometimes wonder what exactly people are doing to see such a difference; at a minimum, their workflows must be very different from mine. Second, you're arguing based on subscription pricing. But Anthropic makes the bulk of its revenue (and has its biggest margins) from enterprise/API pricing, where they are the most expensive provider by far. Anthropic isn't going to make a lot of money off your $20 subscription. With a subscription, you currently get more usage per dollar out of Anthropic's than OpenAI's plans, which approximately offsets the difference in API pricing. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | repeekad 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
You're admitting the problem here, anthropic needs revenue to keep growing and growing, yet you're already settled into a willingness to pay of only $20/month as probably a fairly ideal customer, bigger better models just aren't valuable to most people at the price they need to be to make the money back. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | zarzavat 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
If some later version of Deepseek had the capability as Opus 5.5, would you use Opus? What many of us experienced this year is that Fable 5 and Opus 5.5 are good enough and future model improvements may have diminishing returns even if benchmarks improve. I’m very excited for smarter models but what I really want now is not capability but speed, cost and open weights. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | cmiles8 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The history of tech is one where “good enough” beats “best in class” nearly every time. Anthropic’s whole business plan is that for reasons they can’t explain this time “best” is what matters. All indications are the models are increasingly worth less and less and rapidly approaching zero. Even worse, everyone is rapidly shifting to “router” architecture where they switch models constantly. LLMs are perhaps the least sticky product in the history of tech. The only money to be made is selling compute to run models on. The only real out I see for Anthropic is if somehow compute becomes so constrained that they can flip to sell all their committed compute at a markup to run commodity models. Absent something like that it would appear they don’t have a viable business plan. As many have been pointing out, they casually left Q3 off their charts. Put that back in and suddenly the charts look very worrisome. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | halfmatthalfcat an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Ngl, I've been on Opus 5.5 but had to switch to open for a while. DSv4/Minimax 3.1 were pretty damn good/comparable. Definitely not the same but completely servicable. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | mattmaroon an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I do a similar thing with 6.1 Sol. I find it pretty comparable to Opus 5.5 in many ways. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | fastball an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Anthropic does not make money if everyone is like you, spending $20/m on their SOTA model and are happy. That sounds very commoditized to me. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | dwoolf an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
this conversation happens over and over every 6 weeks. It is absolutely a commoditized product. The models are getting better but they're _all_ getting better. GPT beats Claude beats Gemini. Then open models distill them at cheaper prices, etc. This is great for us, but that behavior is the behavior of a commoditized product. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | natedagreat22 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Eh, we have cursor at work with most of the top models and I switch regularly. I went from Claude to sol 5.6 and preferred its prose. Then my work took away the frontier models because they want to see if we can get by on cheaper models. I using Gemini Astra now because it’s discounted and it’s 90% of sol level and completely functional for planning and coding. Some coworkers are using muse coding, some Kimi and glm. Everyone is still producing code. I don’t think it’s a real moat as in you don’t have other options or switching models is actually a difficult process | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | tsunamifury an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
"Yahoo! is the best search engine, and I cant imagine anyone making anything better." | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||