| ▲ | simianwords 5 hours ago |
| There's a certain elitist mindset that thinks all real value is in hard labour like farming, construction and white collar work is shown to be fake and exploitative. > To filter out disturbing images or posts, or to keep chatbots from creating such content, AI systems have to be able to recognize it. That means that data workers must view horrifying images or text passages to label that content This kind of work is definitely preferable to poverty, or even preferable to toiling in the farms. Its a decent job and some one has to do it and I'm glad someone who needs the money is doing it. I think it is misleading to portray this kind of job as uniquely harmful or stressful. |
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| ▲ | kylecazar 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| We consider psychological stress in a different category than physical. It's seen as uniquely cruel because it corrupts intangible things like identity and humanity, not knees and joints. We get physically laborious jobs... They're grueling but we understand the inputs, outputs and the toll. Putting someone in front of the worst of humanity (CSAM, murder, suicide, bestiality etc) for 9 hours a day at $2/hr seems inhumane because it may very well change who they are and how they think. Add to that the fact that it's sponsored by the richest companies on the planet for the benefit of the upper half and you get the current, IMO justified, criticisms. |
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| ▲ | mock-possum 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’ve always wondered if if fate better than most, mentally, at that job - but for $2/hr I’m hardly willing to find out. |
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| ▲ | ticulatedspline 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Its a decent job and some one has to do it someone has to do it but it's not a decent job. Content tagging and content moderation are basically the "ditch digging" of the white collar world and often comes with significant toll on those exposed to such content continuously. |
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| ▲ | free_bip 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Spoken like someone who's never had to do it. |
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| ▲ | lukas099 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Isn't it kind of patriarchal to say that people in the third world shouldn't do jobs that they choose to do, because people in the first world think it's too exploitative? Give them tools that let them connect to other workers and organize, sure, but I think we should respect their autonomy to take the jobs they want to take. | | |
| ▲ | pona-a 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't see how your reply connects with what the parent said. But to your point, I don't think anyone in this conversation specifically claimed anything about workers of the third world needing to be prevented from taking these jobs, but rather how they're universally harmful to the human mind. This could imply banning the industry, but since most agree it's necessary, most would probably be in favor of psychological counciling and greater pay for these workers. The point is we're subjecting desperate people to trauma before limited to first responders, police, and military, while providing them none of the pay, job security, or counciling of these above specialities. | |
| ▲ | trinsic2 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The Disturbing Bias In The Rest Is Politics - Barrys Economics[0] [0]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti0o4RhOtjQ | |
| ▲ | breezybottom 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Autonomy is a funny word to use, considering many of these places aren't democracies. | |
| ▲ | alistairSH 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not really - studies have linked these jobs to severe phycological distress. They aren't "good jobs" in the sense that "software developer" is a good job. They're actively harmful to the person's mental well-being. | |
| ▲ | jplusequalt 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >but I think we should respect their autonomy to take the jobs they want to take. You're phrasing this like third world countries have similar labor markets to the US, where anyone and anybody can go and find a high paying, "comfy" job. Third world countries provide the convenience that first world countries like the US have come to expect. The cost of providing that "convenience" is that millions of people in India/China/Africa/Southeast Asia work for almost nothing to produce cheap crap that people buy in the US and then dispose of like it's nothing. | |
| ▲ | simianwords 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You mean patronizing? In that case yes it is patronizing | | |
| ▲ | free_bip 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | How is it patronizing to say "You've never worked this job and clearly have no idea if it truly is good or not"? If anything it's patronizing to say that staring at disturbing content all day is preferable to agricultural jobs, you know, the jobs people have been working and enjoying for literally tens of thousands of years. | |
| ▲ | gessha 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is it patronizing if that’s all the geopolitical forces have left the workers as a choice? |
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| ▲ | mehta 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It doesn’t have to be black and white though. Consider the alternative where in addition to the $2/hr pay, the people are provided with support and training to also help reduce the adverse effects of sitting in front of such content. Wouldn’t that or other ways to mitigate the effects be better? I am not saying it isn’t done today. Just that we should consider that as an option when coming from either side of this debate. |
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| ▲ | breezybottom 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The irony of saying this while denigrating farm work, the oldest human profession, is mind boggling. |
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| ▲ | simianwords 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Old = good now? I don’t think it’s fruitful to romanticize farming. That’s the same problem with marxists with hammer and sickle | | |
| ▲ | breezybottom 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well fortunately you don't get to tell people what they should romanticize. I know it's hard for an upper-middle class white computer programmer to understand, but some people actually prefer farming to sweatshops. |
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| ▲ | jefurii 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| People in white shirts can't sit in air-conditioned rooms and program computers if other people aren't out there growing and harvesting and shipping food. |
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| ▲ | lukas099 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | What are you refuting by saying this? They didn't discount the importance of agriculture. |
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| ▲ | lilbigdoot 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think you need to pause and consider how significant the mind is in the body. I've lived in my car before and I will take that over consistent psychological distress of something like that. I don't think that's universal but I really think viewing awful images and text all the time would fuck me up. |
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